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“Men are craven, base creatures. Darkness is all they have ever known,

and when presented with the means to shed their primordial yoke,

they seek it, insatiably. For when our Lord, God forged them from His heart,

they inherited the burdens of His emotional strain; the suffering of his

sacrificial scars; the fleeting weight of His passion.

 

But dark is anchored and corporeal. So many men chase after the

resplendence of Light, but do not realize the boundless joy they gain

through Light’s acclamation stems from the very shadows it casts.

They say those known as the Old Lords accused the Gods of cursing

Men with Inhumanity; for by scourging the darkness which life stems from,

the Gods planted the seeds that would push Men to become

something they are not. Something… immaterial.

 

The Gods fear the dark within Men; these are the roots of our world.

By abandoning what makes us mortal, our primeval design shall surge

against us, and deny us the means to become deified.”

 

Inhumanity and Immaterialism;

The Roots of Our World

 

“Life is blessed; so fleeting and short, but beautiful in its entirety.

Some Men are driven by love and purpose to define their lives.

Others seek peace and contentment for themselves, and their ken.

Men bound by the rot are driven by hunger and madness, for

life has yet to release them from its dark coils. If one to to ask

truly Immaterial Men what drives them, they shall present you

a farce; for they are hollow, empty. They fabricate the path of

Gods to walk, but it is not their road to follow.”

 

In the beginning of all things, two spectrums were born in this universe to ensure it an equilibrium; Light, and Dark. With half of His Soul, the Creator conceived the Primeval Ethereal; seedlings of Light comprised of his halved spirit’s countless fragments. With half of His Heart, the Creator conceived the Primeval Corporeal; the essences of Dark, too, made up of many such fragmentations. From the very beginning, the fate of these vastly differential souls were charted -- the Primeval Ethereal were to become the Gods, the Aengudaemons, and all formless spawn which ushered from them. The Primeval Corporeal were to become Men, the Mortal Descendants, and all material life beside them. The one God of Gods did not comprehend that Men would bow to their shapeless brothers, for in this world where both Dark and Light must coexist, one force cannot rule the other. It was the law of Creation, and thus ingrained into the very fabrics of this cosmos.

 

But soon did the Aengudaemons seek to ensure their control over Men after the awakening of their material brothers. An understanding of equality was not recognized by the Gods, but rather a deep, gnawing fear, for through the ages in ancient time, before the corporeal world was even shaped, the Gods fought viciously against what they perceived as a cataclysmic, destructive darkness. The Void and its Horrors threatened to eradicate the luminescence of the Sun - the doorway which the Great Father stepped out from, and that which keeps the twisting Void at bay. Thus, Gods fear Men like they do their ancient enemy.

 

Dark is perceived as the absence of Light to them; that without Light occupying every aspect of this universe, all will unravel and be presented to the Archhorrors beyond for gluttonous devouring-- and this is true indeed, for with no Light, Creation would lie besieged by the very aspects of chaos that it stands to defy. A realm of darkness would be a realm of Old Dark; a darkness that predates the darkness of Men, far more vile than anything that has ever existed in this cosm.

 

Inhumanity

 

There is a term that mortals use to describe what defines them; though the word remains the same, the meaning has changed overtime. Humanity; that is what Men are said to contain within them, and it is what they say is lost through acts of barbarism and terrible, ill nature. Humanity to mortals of this concurrent age is the acknowledgement of mercy, the will to do what is good and right, and to abstain from the evils so easily manifested within the hearts of living Men.

 

In the old ages, humanity as a trait was described as something much more base and reflective to all those who carried the dark fragments of God within them. Humanity is darkness; it is the warmth that occupies the living, the beat of their material hearts, the breaths that escape their lungs. It is their greatest joys and their deepest sorrows. It is their unquenchable rage and their search for vengeance. It is the assurance of death one day, and the contentment found in the moment. It is birth and demise. It is the so-very-real flesh that is wrapped around Men, forcing them to become anchored to an earth that does not heed the commands of ethereal sons. To be humane is to be mortal; and when that is sacrificed, mortals lose their mortality.

 

This has always been the way of things, embedded in every aspect of mortal enterprise, and especially Man’s knack for seeking an escape for what makes them material. In primeval ages, entities known as the “undying”, or the living dead, were the first known mortal beings that had either willingly sacrificed their humanity, or were robbed of it. With undeath, they say, the spirits of descendants are brought far higher than they ever could be in life; higher to the light of the sun, which ever beams the incandescence of the Gods. Though the sun’s rays scorn their kind, the countless species of undead that have come to rise through the eras are more closer to the heavens than any clergyman or holy warrior, and the dire reality is that for this to occur is existentially erroneous.

 

All mortals that transcend to forms greater than what they were experience a “warping” of the soul; the natural darkness within them that defines them as material and perishable is forced to adapt and prolong its own existence, and through this feat a deep, twisted corruption festers. The humanity within undead has been known to “go wild”; that those among their unholy ranks succumb to the most base, vile evils which Men are capable of commit, riddled with the most grotesque obsessions and needs to sustain their “greater” existences. This is because that, by becoming something that defies the natural designs of their souls, this same design becomes confused and malformed and wretched, and is thrown off-balance. Through transcension, the unique psychological aspects of Men are heightened tenfold and thus induces a madness that does not subside. This is because the corporealism that still anchors them is desperate to keep the soul clinging to its natural order; so that some semblance of mortality is retained so a most foul imbalance does not occur. Alas, this existential correction only proves to produce monsters.

 

In the later ages, there are beings that were born of Men that were so abstinent of their material makeup that they were absolved of these twisted aspects, such as Archons, the Gods-blessed Keepers and Itheral, the Wights and all of their spectral ilk. In the place of madness and debauchery and serpentine hunger is deep, harrowing emptiness; the lack of their humanity as the darkness of their souls is distorted to a grayness - an improper limbo between Light and Dark. Or, perhaps better - materialism and immaterialism. The very same emptiness is felt in all forms of undead souls, for they have taken their first step toward mistakenly shedding the warm flesh that made them whole.

 

To be inhumane is to lose one’s sense of mortality. The darkness within Men blackens so deep that it becomes Abyssal and stagnant and foul, throwing their emotions up into a nexus of inner-cataclysmic havoc, and lacking of the perishable nature so true to mortal existence. Hunger and fury and madness is all the demi-immaterial know, and for those far closer to immaterialism, the wrenching hollowness within their bosoms is deepened infinitely as they lose the chaotic emotional drive to consume and feel whole again. But the souls that have truly reached a point of fleshlessness, abandoned of their bones and sinew and blood, are as empty as the inhumanity-riddled Gods themselves.

 

Immaterialism

 

“We are… corporeal. That is what defines we Men. Are we even belonging to the earth we stand upon, if we abandon the darkness that makes us material? That makes us real, and alive? The Gods were fated to be ethereal, immaterial… and when they came down to our sacrosanct plane to take shape, all they wrought was madness and mistakes. The nature of their inner-Light is betrayed as they are forced to conform to the boundaries of our realm of darkness, corrupted. The very same chaos transpires when we defy the natural design of our shadowbound souls, and seek to mimic those of the Light-laden heavens, and be free.”

 

It is not natural for mortals to become what is known as “Immaterial”. Through undeath, the first form of distorted Immaterialism was conceived, for the undead lacked the limitations of the living. Those that followed and evolved these methods only deepened the corruptive nature of Immaterial more and more until they became something other than Men; empty, ethereal husks, riddled with cosmic power, but abandoned of what truly made them mortal. The Gods fear the darkness within Men because they knew that, through achieving Immaterialism, that their darkbound souls would go wild, and that not a mimicry of Godhood would be conceived, but monsters would. That is exactly what transpired.

 

That is why Gods known as Aenguls, who bore the most fear among them all, sought to fabricate deific powers designed to destroy those that escape the limitations of their mortality. But their persecution is flawed, for their righteous ilk have conceived beings of the very same stock as the Dark-crazed spirits they oppose. Though holy magic scorns the Dark and the Immaterial, they do not scorn those that have become so drenched in the light of Aengudaemons that they, themselves, become Immaterial. The error of their virtuous crusades lie right before their eyes, yet the Gods are blind to them.

 

There are those who prove that souls of one spectrum may, by some means, become apart of the other. The Old Gods, who in yore fell from the heavens as Daemons to become what they are now, sacrificed all that bound them to the Light in order to commune with the mortal world. In the end, they became as Dark as any Man that would come to walk the earth.

 

Synopsis

 

  • Humanity is the center from which all mortal passion, emotion and drive originates from. Inhumanity is the utter lack of all of these things. Mortals have humanity, Gods have inhumanity. When a mortal becomes “immaterial”, they are corrupted by the onset of inhumanity, and thus their natural humanity goes wild, causing beings like undead species to act in emotional extremities or to bear vile hungers for flesh or Lifeforce.

 

  • Materialism is apart of the universal aspect of Dark. It is what enables things like mortals and their world to be corporeal and “real”. When materialism is abandoned for immaterialism, a mortal being becomes less mortal and more, as aforementioned, inhumane and ethereal. Inhumanity is hand-in-hand with immaterialism, as both are the true designs of Light and the Gods. When either side tries to become the other, their souls are corrupted, but there are few cases of some Gods in the ancient ages of the mortal world having descended to become Dark, or material, beings.

 

  • Holy magic does not harm Dark entities such as undead because they are “tainted”, but because they embody a form of corrupted immaterialism. Holy magic is tailored by each individual God that grants them in a manner to harms only Dark immaterialism, which involves the entire spectrum of undeath. Voidal and Holy immaterialism are abstinent of these weaknesses.

 

Tl;dr if you have flesh and try to live without flesh, that’s not good because that’s not what your soul is supposed to handle, and the people who exist without flesh (gods) fear the idea of people with flesh equating them in power so they created forms of magic to harm them

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What is the exact point of this lore? Because in the lore behind some holy magic, the reason they harm them is exactly because of their taint and has nothing to do with this... Immaterialism? Seems way too overcomplicated. Also what constitutes as mortals becoming less mortal, and what not? Like- If an aengul or daemon (not gods?) gives one of their followers the gift of near immortality, does that constitute the loss of humanity, as well as a 'mortal becoming immaterial'? So much of this is worded so oddly it's difficult to critisise because of the word choices.

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this is more of cameron's "man is the most powerful being" lore.

 

i like it

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2 hours ago, Sky said:

What is the exact point of this lore? Because in the lore behind some holy magic, the reason they harm them is exactly because of their taint and has nothing to do with this... Immaterialism? Seems way too overcomplicated. Also what constitutes as mortals becoming less mortal, and what not? Like- If an aengul or daemon (not gods?) gives one of their followers the gift of near immortality, does that constitute the loss of humanity, as well as a 'mortal becoming immaterial'? So much of this is worded so oddly it's difficult to critisise because of the word choices.

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the main point is: Holy magic doesn't harm most because of good/evil most Anguedaemons are assholes with their own agendas. It hurts them because certain things are unaligned with an anguel's interests.

Which, by the way, yes: Every angudaemon is a prick in their own way, none of them are exempt.

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I rarely agree with Sky, but the lore feels more confusing than informative because of how many different identifiers used. 

 

While having a cool, flavor text filled story is a nice read, lore shouldn't be confusing and difficult to read and follow. 

 

Else, people are left to either assume they understand it or contact random LT of the day for an explanation. And that never goes well.

 

 

 

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I'm guessing the typical classification of being tainted is when something that is mortal/humane leaves their mortality/humanity behind in an effort to become ethereal?

It seems to be a roundabout way of saying that the Aenguls, when they come down and manifest/bestow powers to mortals, become corrupted in the same sense as when humans try and shed their flesh, but offers only the viewpoint of the "Material" trying to achieve "Immaterial" to go off of.

[[Mortals leaving flesh = Bad idea
Aenguls gaining flesh = Bad idea]] 

I'm not entirely sure what exactly the purpose of this lore is, since it doesn't clearly state any sort of goal in mind, leaving it up to be (mis)-interpreted freely. There's not a whole lot wrong with the concepts in it, but an expansion upon what the corruption of an Aengul would look like is something I'd like to have explained.

In regards to understanding the lorepiece, rather than it being confusing, it's just very... verbose. The TL;DR doesn't really define the words you've used in the lore, but rather uses them again in a simplified manner in place of an actually condensed answer.

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6 hours ago, Sky said:

So much of this is worded so oddly it's difficult to critisise because of the word choices.

With that out of the way what I think I read is an attempted explanation of deific behavior that ignores all the deities that don't give half a **** about being holy, ignores the deity magics that don't purge spooks, ignores the deity magic that's targeted towards fighting the product of another deity, ignores the dark deities, ignores deity magics effects on things corrupted by deities, ignores aerials failed attempts at curing tainted beings, ignores the original writing of deific magics directly saying purges taint/unholy, ignores the abilities that can clean taint from the land, and makes it difficult for lore writers to write anything using deities without directly violating what you just wrote.

4 hours ago, Tentoa forgot his password said:

Which, by the way, yes: Every angudaemon is a prick in their own way, none of them are exempt.

Yeu Rthulu

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10 hours ago, Sky said:

What is the exact point of this lore? Because in the lore behind some holy magic, the reason they harm them is exactly because of their taint and has nothing to do with this... Immaterialism? Seems way too overcomplicated. Also what constitutes as mortals becoming less mortal, and what not? Like- If an aengul or daemon (not gods?) gives one of their followers the gift of near immortality, does that constitute the loss of humanity, as well as a 'mortal becoming immaterial'? So much of this is worded so oddly it's difficult to critisise because of the word choices.

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6 hours ago, Jaeden said:

That doesn't really explain anything, though.

 

And I agree with both Squirt and Sky. The lore doesn't really seem to have a purpose, and it's beyond confusing with how it's written.

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The intention of the lore was to alternatively explain why holy magic hurts dark beings instead of the inconsistent explanation of because they're "tainted". That idea worked before (Anthos era and prior), when undead/Dark beings were somewhat said to be tainted, but now it doesn't really make sense and doesn't apply to all forms of creatures that holy magic is capable of harming. As it stands, holy magic hurts dark beings just because, and this explains from a half-philosophical standpoint that it harms them because Aenguls made magic to combat mortals turning into something they are inherently not supposed to be.

 

3 hours ago, Данстан said:

 

With that out of the way what I think I read is an attempted explanation of deific behavior that ignores all the deities that don't give half a **** about being holy, ignores the deity magics that don't purge spooks, ignores the deity magic that's targeted towards fighting the product of another deity, ignores the dark deities, ignores deity magics effects on things corrupted by deities, ignores aerials failed attempts at curing tainted beings, ignores the original writing of deific magics directly saying purges taint/unholy, ignores the abilities that can clean taint from the land, and makes it difficult for lore writers to write anything using deities without directly violating what you just wrote.

Yeu Rthulu

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Nothing is really ignored with this work in mind. It still applies to deities that don't give it a **** about being holy, it doesn't disregard deity magic that fights other dieties because that type of magic doesn't exist right now (still wouldn't conflict with this lore), it doesn't ignore the dark deities because it explains why they're dark (primarily Iblees and Asura, not many others to work with), it completely regards Aeriel's failed healing attempts (trying to cure dark/corrupted immaterial beings with light/immaterial magic is a contradiction), it only alternatively explains the original writing so its not inconsistent with current lore, nor does it ignore taint cleaning abilities.

 

A majority of the lore is based on explaining humanity and how it changes when a mortal becomes immaterial as to properly portray what is objectively correct for mortals to be like in the universe. 

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1 minute ago, Swgrclan said:

it doesn't disregard deity magic that fights other dieties because that type of magic doesn't exist right now

I believe what I said was product of another deity.

 

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56 minutes ago, Данстан said:

I believe what I said was product of another deity.

 

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Explained that one to you on another medium.

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12 minutes ago, Swgrclan said:

it doesn't ignore the dark deities because it explains why they're dark (primarily Iblees and Asura, not many others to work with)

I also forgot to mention that Aeriel has actually manifested in the material realm enough time where by this lores logic Aeriel would have suddenly converted to a daemon by now.

Malchediael also did have a material manifestation but has failed to turn into a daemon.

Availer (wandering wizard) did not turn dark from physical manifestation.

Dragur could be considered dark for the creation of dragons, and it is to be noted that corruption is only a branch of dragon lore.

Tayl's patrons are considered dark and they were purposely designed by Tayl, and Tayl could be considered dark as he exists for the singular purpose of undermining all the other gods.

Vaasek has never manifested and is evil as all hell.

46 minutes ago, Swgrclan said:

it completely regards Aeriel's failed healing attempts (trying to cure dark/corrupted immaterial beings with light/immaterial magic is a contradiction)

I almost forgot, Aeriel did actually succeed in curing iblees curse once.

 

52 minutes ago, Swgrclan said:

it only alternatively explains the original writing so its not inconsistent with current lore

But their aren't any inconsistencies between lore creatures that **** with mortality and the way holy magics distinct what is purge-able. The only thing that I could think of that would create an inconsistency is random **** off lore that doesn't have a RPable thing directly attached to it but still attempts to change ****, or fix **** that isn't broke and don't need no god dern fixin'.

1 hour ago, Swgrclan said:

A majority of the lore is based on explaining humanity and how it changes when a mortal becomes immaterial as to properly portray what is objectively correct for mortals to be like in the universe. 

 

What your doing is trying to make undead be bound to a behavior of massive ******* all the time, behavior lock them out of any interesting RP that isn't just chucking themselves at city gates cause lol lost humanity no morals and rational thought for you haha, and taking a massive ******* **** on all of lotc lore history and almost all playable creatures that aren't necromancy related.

 

Your either too damn eager to jerk off your lord march ****, hate people doing RP other than GRR GRR KILL HOLIE, or didn't ******* read that you directly wrote that losing humanity means losing morals and emotion. Lamenting your own death and showing regret for the **** you have to do are both some of the best forms of spooky villain RP ever witnessed and you took an entire paragraph to write that **** right the **** off.

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Gross oversimplification of the holy vs dark complex and completely unneeded.

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You're a good writer Cameron but holy hell you made this way too difficult to understand. It's hard to comprehend what your actual goal is here and what you intend to do with it. If Abyssus' interpretation up above is true of what you're trying to do though, I definitely cannot support this. 

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