Your View - Firearms on LotC

[chaotikal 2236]

Yes, and they shoud apply to the more tech-wise races, Dwarves and Humans.

 

It’s time to become serious and understand that fire-arms are completely setting appropiate for anything that would resemble medieval-themed fantasy. Guns have been in heavy use in the eastern world since the mid-13^th century and were in mainstream use all across medieval europe by the 14^th century.

 

It’s not cardboard armor and cardboard swords. It’s time to grow up.

[SimplySeo 5183]

 

Cannons would be fine. Guns would very quickly become very ******* silly, though.

[argonian 12836]

7 minutes ago, blackhand7 said:

My point here is not that it isn’t an intricate or complex process, but that it’ll be repetitive. Theres no dodging and blocking, tumbling on the floor, etc... Its just doing the same motions again and again every crp until one person gets higher roles.

You can’t dodge or block a crossbow bolt either. All you can hope is that your armour stops it, which it won’t unless the guy’s literally trying to snipe you from a mile away. Same goes for bows too really, just with a shorter distance(but still within any distance you’re actually gonna be CRPing with anyone in)

 

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But the question of how long it will take to kill you is important. A musket does far more damage, and can penetrate plate  a lot more effectively, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeGtPxLwkuk) as opposed to a bow or crossbow. Additionaly, unless they pierce a vital organ, arrows and bolts generally don’t kill on impact, because most of the damage they do is not derived from their speed, but from their pointy bit. A gun, on the other hand, derives its damage from its speed causing a shockwave in your body, which makes it far more deadly, regardless of where it hits.

You’re still not gonna be saved if an arrow or bolt finds itself in one of your vitals(unless the healer uses magic – in which case who’s to say they couldn’t heal a bullet either), so the point is pretty moot if you’re gonna die regardless. 

[Lsuvsfar 255]

1 minute ago, Taketheshot said:

We arent going to have AK 47s or guns, we are talking early tech low scale matchlock/flintlock weapons of which would be EXACTLY the same as a crossbow in terms of damage if not less. 

Yeah no that’s absolutely wrong. Most crossbows and bows could not punch through plate armor. Perhaps if they had a very heavy draw and specialized arrow/bolt heads they could, but with most, no chance. Firearms were far more effective at punching through plate armor. Plus if you’re talking about an unarmored target, then guns are far more effective.

 

Overall, your average gun is far better than your average bow/crossbow. You could argue that the BEST bows and crossbows could compete with guns, but then the best early guns would beat them hands down.

[Noer 577]

27 minutes ago, Shmeepicus said:

[laughs in this server isn’t wh40k, dungeons and dragons, or etc. etc.]

 

That being said, if we are comparing other fantasy settings let’s keep something in mind. Warhammer 40k is set 39,000 years ahead of ourselves in our IRL timeline, so comparing Wh40k to this server is beyond ridiculous.

There are guns in Warhammer Fantasy

 

[Taketheshot 3834]

Just now, Lsuvsfar said:

Yeah no that’s absolutely wrong. Most crossbows and bows could not punch through plate armor. Perhaps if they had a very heavy draw and specialized arrow/bolt heads they could, but with most, no chance. Firearms were far more effective at punching through plate armor. Plus if you’re talking about an unarmored target, then guns are far more effective.

 

Overall, your average gun is far better than your average bow/crossbow. You could argue that the BEST bows and crossbows could compete with guns, but then the best early guns would beat them hands down.

I dont know if you have played LOTC much but crossbows and bows routinely punch through plate and mail with ease, thats just the factor of the server we play on, the fact of the matter is guns represented in the lore will be early firearms of lesser ability or at best equal to crossbows/bows, this isnt real life as is commonly said by the anti gun group well fair enough these guns simply wont be as good as those in real life. 

 

Its a simple answer. 

[Ztrog 1017]

Please dont let guns in lotc, theres a tech lock for a reason, power gaming and meta gaming are already big enough of an issue with crossbows dont add onto it with fire arms. 

[blackhand7 191]

1 minute ago, argonian said:

You can’t dodge or block a crossbow bolt either. All you can hope is that your armour stops it, which it won’t unless the guy’s literally trying to snipe you from a mile away. Same goes for bows too really, just with a shorter distance(but still within any distance you’re actually gonna be CRPing with anyone)

For starters, yes, plate armour, or at the very least a shield, can deflect arrows and bolts fired from crossbows and bows on the lower end of the spectrum relatively easily. And, this is also kind of in response to your second point, bullets do more damage than arrows. Your argument here is the equivalent (although a bit exagerated) of saying that getting hit by a high-speed train and getting stabbed by a knife are the same, because you’ll end up dying either way. The danger with guns is that they are vastly more powerful than bows or crossbows, and can kill you far quicker than a bow and arrow can. 

 

[Arafel 107]

2 minutes ago, Lsuvsfar said:

Yeah no that’s absolutely wrong. Most crossbows and bows could not punch through plate armor. Perhaps if they had a very heavy draw and specialized arrow/bolt heads they could, but with most, no chance. Firearms were far more effective at punching through plate armor. Plus if you’re talking about an unarmored target, then guns are far more effective.

 

Overall, your average gun is far better than your average bow/crossbow. You could argue that the BEST bows and crossbows could compete with guns, but then the best early guns would beat them hands down.

Crossbows were specifically employed to pierce through contemporary plate armor. That was part of why they were banned in 1096.

[Child Neglecter 2134]

Something equivalent to the Eoka Pistol in Rust is the only plausible form of gun we should have. 

[armajesty 324]

In my opinion firearms hardly make sense with the server. It’s not a medieval server where we are advancing with time as if it was present day, it’s a fantasy role play server. Imagine Gandalf with flintlock.

[Knightei 317]

5 minutes ago, Lsuvsfar said:

Yeah no that’s absolutely wrong. Most crossbows and bows could not punch through plate armor. Perhaps if they had a very heavy draw and specialized arrow/bolt heads they could, but with most, no chance. Firearms were far more effective at punching through plate armor. Plus if you’re talking about an unarmored target, then guns are far more effective.

 

Overall, your average gun is far better than your average bow/crossbow. You could argue that the BEST bows and crossbows could compete with guns, but then the best early guns would beat them hands down.

Well this is a minecraft server, why not just have our guns be as good as a crossbow.

 

and for the “it’ll be power gamed” a toothpick can be powergamed it’s not a valid argument

[Esterlen 4462]

20 minutes ago, Shmeepicus said:

[laughs in this server isn’t wh40k, dungeons and dragons, or etc. etc.]

 

That being said, if we are comparing other fantasy settings let’s keep something in mind. Warhammer 40k is set 39,000 years ahead of ourselves in our IRL timeline, so comparing Wh40k to this server is beyond ridiculous.

 

“We don’t want guns because they’ll ruin the fantasy theme!”

[Names countless other fantasy worlds where guns are present in a fantasy theme.]

“Well we’re not those worlds!”

 

Seriously? It’s pretty clear that the point is that guns can co-exist with a fantasy theme. There’s manifold examples of it being done. So why are we still on this false narrative?

 

1 hour ago, LotsOfMuffins said:

No. It’s a fantasy server. Anyone who says we’re nearing the 1800s and should get more tech need to understand that we don’t line up our timeline with the real world’s, and the real world has been around a lot longer than 2020 years. Either way, this is a fantasy server. We’re like Lord of the Rings or Elder Scrolls and stuff like that. 

 

No, we obviously don’t line up our timeline with the real world’s. But I don’t understand how this is even an argument against introducing guns, so I think that you might be missing the point. No, we don’t have to line up with the real world’s...but after nine IRL years of RP, of course it is fair to say we should have some technological progress. 

 

It’s completely ridiculous – we have countless over complicated demigods, creatures and bizarre niche magics that nobody really understands or has any interest in. Nobody consulted me before introducing them. It was a slow drip of addition after addition. Why now is the right of players to have their particular view of the server (Whether that’s LotR, etc) preserved suddenly sacrosanct?

 

So as for being like Lord of the Rings or Elder Scrolls, that’s your opinion, not the actual reality of the situation. Everybody has a completely different view on what we are ‘like’ – why does what you want it to be take any precedence over someone who wants something more like Warhammer Fantasy? 

[Arafel 107]

Just now, Knightei said:

and for the “it’ll be power gamed” a toothpick can be powergamed it’s not a valid argument

 

Not to mention we have a moderation team whose job description covers the handling of such situations.

[Taketheshot 3834]

Just now, armajesty said:

In my opinion firearms hardly make sense with the server. It’s not a medieval server where we are advancing with time as if it was present day, it’s a fantasy role play server. Imagine Gandalf with flintlock.

Imagine Gandalf with an elf fireball meteor able to be called down in 10 seconds to try and kill multiple people, fact of the matter is other races have been going against the medieval grain for almost a decade now with their magics, the muskets and early flintlocks being presented are in no way going to impact that fact, some groups just wish to pound sand whine and cry when they see something they dont like getting introduced, but have no problem with 4 more magics or another 6 MARTs etc etc etc. It is a fantasy roleplay server you are absolutely correct, and a great many deal fantasy roleplaying servers have early firearms. Thank you for agreeing with us on this point. Its good to see you in the vote yes crowd.