Taketheshot 3834 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Orlanth said: No Care to elaborate at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qaz_The_Great 1189 Share Posted April 20, 2020 27 minutes ago, argonian said: literally just “the explosion is a bit less strong than irl so the force isn’t strong enough to punch through armour” if you’re concerned about the exact bloody mathematics of it, then please for your own sake do not look into LOTC Flat Earth Theory. your immersion might be irreparably destroyed Lets keep this civil no need to pour your heart into it and go at me, but I already said what I needed to be said in regards to counter this. 26 minutes ago, EmbryoGod said: As a side note I’m one of the people primarily responsible for assisting with the Lore we were presenting for the loremag and I’d like it noted I’m a certified Range Safety Officer and helped teach people on a range for six months of my life I think I’m at least somewhat qualified to discuss firearms, their manufacture, and their use. (Take a lil bit of offense to the person saying people repping for the firearms don’t know how to manipulate them) I think I’m just as qualified as you man, I shoot weapons often and many of my friends work in factories that actually produce firearms, credibility is what I have. (Don’t take offense, it’s a simple discussion on the matter.) 25 minutes ago, Abyssus said: i was speaking in general if someone was just running around using one, which is going to happen, of course firing lines are extremely effective because chances are at least one of those muskets fired will hit their target, it’s important people are aware they are really not good firearms though The whole aspect of how it can be taken advantage of is how you must see this. It’s important to know that firearms are actually really good and the idea that they aren’t is because most will be comparing them to the weapons we have currently. 22 minutes ago, KunLunKungFu said: That first sentence means nothing to the argument, and the second sentence makes no sense. Since crossbows and bows are pretty relatively unchanged (as in, the basic concept of the weapon to begin with). Sure, we’ve added stronger materials, but they still use basically the same mechanisms. To add to that, bows from the olden days are CERTAINLY comparable to the bows of today, since people still actively use longbows and such for hunting. Not everyone is restricted to a compound bow, and each weapon has advantages and disadvantages to the other. If you say that a compound bow and a old bow from the 1600s are comparable you’re nuts, the materials do matter and the ease of use changes drastically between the two. The sentence makes plenty of sense now. 10 minutes ago, Unwillingly said: guns wont add anything new to RP if its as easily accessible as bows and crossbows are right now on the other hand if its something super restricted among players you’ll get these ppl who go “HRUHRHUU WHERES MY GUN AT HURHUR LT RESTRICTING RP AGAIN RRUHRHURHUR” It is better to not have something that will become an huge issue, agreed. 22 minutes ago, ScreamingDingo said: If you can't get over your preconceived notions of cognitive dissonance, then why even roleplay at all. The entire point is to essentially abandon the rules of reality and immerse yourself in that said universe. We control everything about the LotC universe, written in lore and controlled by staff. Will it take some time for players to realise they aren't just ak-47s mentally, yes. But it is something that you can't use to completely deconstruct how things function. Lore is made to just “have it make sense”, it's why we have all these things implemented and put in place. My immersion is broken when I walk into different settlements and modern lingo is not punished but encouraged, my immersion is broken when an infertile race that should be focused on persevering and gaining more kids is filled with open homosexuals that don't procreate. There are many things I personally don't agree with that should be stopped, but they aren't because the playerbase should be able to have their own facets of roleplay. It's the idea that restricting guns is of that same ideal of stopping other people's roleplay OOC'ly because you dislike it. If guns are implemented, then I'm sure racial variations and different aesthetics can be applied to nations that want it. Otherwise they can use bows, magic or whatever things they want to It's either a blanket rule, you allow nations to roleplay what they want or you don't and you restrict them heavily. We can't pick and choose because humans are ostracised for doing game of thrones roleplay for the last four years, then are ostracised because they want innovations to reflect over 200 years of eventual progression and roleplay. It's just silly I disagree, in roleplay you are meant to have the ability to place yourself in the world and act in the bounds of that world, the bounds of the world can be loose yes but when it reaches a point where things are simply too much then the ability of the roleplayer to put them self in the world is reduced. All good writers know that cognitive dissonance is not avoidable, but you must embark to reduce it as much as possible. I know they won’t be AK-47s, but I know how firearms related to the ones being suggested work, and I can reasonably say that this will still be broken to the point everyone will have to adopt it, or it will be made so much less effective that using it puts you at a disadvantage. There is no reason to implement something that will be complained about by everyone and hated by all who don’t use it or by all who do. Story team doesn’t control the actions of players unless the players are actively going against the fundamental ideals of the creature lore. Just because someone wants to RP a homosexual doesn’t mean you should throw the book at them because it effects only that player, but when someone wants to RP shooting you with a flintlock pistol then they need the book thrown at them because they’re effecting more than just themselves. I don’t remember Norland being ostricised for RP how we do other than by other Human players. Oren isn’t the only base of human players anyone who says so is wrong. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlanth 3525 Share Posted April 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Taketheshot said: Care to elaborate at all? No 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taketheshot 3834 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Orlanth said: No So your opinion is nothing okay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonian 12836 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Qaz_The_Great said: Lets keep this civil no need to pour your heart into it and go at me, but I already said what I needed to be said in regards to counter this. Randomly accusing me of being hostile for making a completely fair comparison isn’t a counter-argument. Fact of the matter is there’s a thousand different things, things that aren’t even magical, that are completely inexplicable and physics-defying in the server. Gun shots having a slight bit less force because of whatever property of gunpowder you please is literally the least of anyone’s worries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aengoth 2883 Share Posted April 20, 2020 20 minutes ago, Unwillingly said: guns wont add anything new to RP (other than aesthetic or sm ****) if its as easily accessible as bows and crossbows are right now on the other hand if its something super restricted among players you’ll get these ppl who go “HRUHRHUU WHERES MY GUN AT HURHUR LT RESTRICTING RP AGAIN RRUHRHURHUR” what if I just really dig the aesthetic and want to see progression beyond game of thrones Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qaz_The_Great 1189 Share Posted April 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Taketheshot said: So your opinion is nothing okay. He owes nothing to anyone LOL. I agree with his point. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unwillingly 11113 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Aengoth said: what if I just really dig the aesthetic and want to see progression beyond game of thrones I would have no problems if guns were added for aesthetic, bc again, that could only happen if guns weren’t super locked up by LT it just also means that the concept of firearms (in terms of actually providing unique RP) becomes redundant if every player and their grandmother has it imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taketheshot 3834 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Qaz_The_Great said: He owes nothing to anyone LOL. I agree with his point. Its uhhh kinda one of the rules of the poll No (Comment your reasoning down below.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unwillingly 11113 Share Posted April 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Taketheshot said: So your opinion is nothing okay. no he makes a very good point leave the man alone 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlanth 3525 Share Posted April 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, Taketheshot said: So your opinion is nothing okay. No my opinion is that we don’t need guns. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archipelego 2093 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 Based Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taketheshot 3834 Share Posted April 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Orlanth said: No my opinion is that we don’t need guns. Got it no opinion. Noted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forwhatpvrpose 1062 Share Posted April 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Ryloth said: No. I play LoTC for the fantasy qualities, and firearms break a level of immersion into that fantasy aspect I don’t desire. The powdered wig flintlock RP push is goofy and doesn’t align with the server theme. It doesn’t align with your theme. The other half of the playerbase enjoys a different theme. Why can’t you do your thing and we do our thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlanth 3525 Share Posted April 20, 2020 20 minutes ago, Taketheshot said: Got it no opinion. Noted No my opinion is that we don’t need guns. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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