the terms of service dont mean staff can steal lore lol

[ScreamingDingo 16792]

cant blame muffins tbf

 

Got the warning sorted w/ the ‘falsifiying’ monk items because many staff members don't know the actual history of the Wilven Monks. 501 essentially rebranded the term mid-late 2018 by having the order be called Wilven and taking the same approach as the player orientated group. It’s just people misunderstanding and believing that they’re trying to invalidate and retcon the past of certain character, which will assuredly not happen.

 

Do remember that the original monks were basically removed in multiple iterations from player hands because people kept either abusing the ‘protection’ aura or erp’ing openly on cloud temple grounds in front of newer players. You shouldn’t have been banned but this issue is blown WAY out of proportion. It’s not some weird copy-right plagued thing, it’s people just not approaching the correct members of staff and rumors flying into a meaningless shitfest.

[frill 2276]

1 hour ago, ScreamingDingo said:

It’s not some weird copy-right plagued thing, it’s people just not approaching the correct members of staff and rumors flying into a meaningless shitfest.

 

Yeah, I originally had little to no issue with it because Muffins joined relatively recently in the life-span of the server, so hasn’t experienced a CT that hadn’t co-opted the Wilven monks (and thus the player-ran group was something that she’d have to actively research to know even existed). The contention I do have is that “uh read the terms of service” was the immediate excuse. It just don’t fit.

[argonian 12836]

wilven monks were ******* gross anyway, as dingo already got into. not sure why anyone would even want to co-opt that. 

[KeatonUnbeaten 1101]

The pros of a volunteer staff team... they arent inclined to give a ****

 

+1 for the defense of intellectual freedoms!

 

Edited July 4, 2020 by KeatonUnbeaten

[xDK 472]

Is it illegal. No.

Is it ethically correct. No.

 

What do you expect to happen?

[Gnomemancy 983]

Very sad to see this, I’ve had my monk for many years, when staff started to interfere into the Order they led to its collapse and left a few people stranded after Spike left. They’ve gone too far.

[monkeypoacher 6993]

On 7/4/2020 at 4:35 AM, ScreamingDingo said:

Do remember that the original monks were basically removed in multiple iterations from player hands because people kept either abusing the ‘protection’ aura or erp’ing openly on cloud temple grounds in front of newer players. You shouldn’t have been banned but this issue is blown WAY out of proportion. It’s not some weird copy-right plagued thing, it’s people just not approaching the correct members of staff and rumors flying into a meaningless shitfest.

 

Regardless of whether the wilven monks were good (most lore, throughout lotc history, has been ****) we shouldn’t set the precedent that some rando staffmember can take your creative work (lore, characters, etc.) and claim that they own it “because the ToS says so.” LoTC should not be in the business of stealing people’s writing or artwork through a loose interpretation of autogenerated language. Even in the stingiest possible interpretation of LoTC’s terms of service Keldrith still has legal ownership of his lore/characters, but Tythus LTD. has a license to use it.

 

We can either let Muffins and Keldrith use wilven monk lore, or let neither of them use it (and it becomes an editorial issue, not a copyright issue). Both of these options will let the CT keep their new player guides (under the auspices of a different sect of monks) and Keldrith maintain ownership of his work. But lotsofmuffins having a temper tantrum and banning people for wanting ownership of their work is not a solution

[Nathan_Barnett36 1546]

Hope you aren’t expecting a response Frill

[Milenkhov 4497]

zzz i sleep

 

[Banned 343]

Hasn’t the uwu-squad locked this post yet?

[Statherian 3314]

hello

[Shezept 304]

Nice VIP Frill

[osumanduas 1436]

The argument is concrete, a concept concocted by players should not be abused and bastardized based on ill-concocted policy or shortsighted staffing.

Edited July 13, 2020 by methuselahs

[xDK 472]

7 hours ago, methuselahs said:

The argument is concrete, a concept concocted by players should not be abused and bastardized based on ill-concocted policy or shortsighted staffing.

 

This is literally a description of democracy...