the terms of service dont mean staff can steal lore lol

[frill 2276]

Non-exclusivity, royalty-free hosting, and Wilven monks

 

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The Wilven monks existed as a group since January 2012, serving as a group within Asulon that sought to be a “crucial part of new-player experience and be an excellent source of RP.”

 

CT came into existence over half a decade later and wordlessly co-opted these duties, with the assumed owner of the group not being informed. On trying to make roleplay items signed as a Wilven monk of his own group, Keldrith was punished for “falsifying” lore items and the items removed from the auction house. The Community Team had assumed ownership in his absence and was not allowing him to use lore he had written.

 

Although initially seen as a staff team co-opting the responsibilities of a group that had the same, and assuming the role of providing “player-ran” “personal, intimate assistance”, LotsOfMuffins refused to revise the lore used when asked by one of the creators of said lore.

 

On asking why LotsOfMuffins was using the Wilven Sanctuary Monk lore as the basis for the veil for her community team’s staff personas, I was told that they had been doing so for years. After reminding LotsOfMuffins that the community team hasn’t existed for years, I was told to “check the terms of service, we can do what we want”. The basis of the staff report is going to explain just why that argument is a very bad one to use.

 

Here it is;

 

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“By sharing, posting, or otherwise uploading content that is protected by intellectual property rights to LOTC service(s) you hereby grant to us a non-exclusive, royalty-free, transferable, sub-licensable, worldwide license to host, use, distribute, modify, run, copy, publicly perform or display, translate, and create derivative works of your content. If one does not own or cannot grant the rights to said intellectual property it is forbidden to share, post, or otherwise upload this content to LOTC service(s).”

 

This is a standard boilerplate for online web hosting; without it, the forums and server would not be able to function as they would have no license to host anything not made by LoTC (and therefore nothing from players) nor use players’ in-game characters. Characters are still works that belong to the author, and the author retains the copyright. Without a non-exclusive (and sublicensable) license, the server would not be able to function as the work created by players needs to be shared on LoTC services for people to see it. 

 

However, this does not mean that the content uploaded to LoTC is copyright free, and does not allow administrators or players alike to grant themselves copyright ownership. With this form of agreement, the player has signed an agreement for use between LoTC and themself, licensing the use on LoTC but retaining rights to the creation.

 

Agreeing to licensing doesn’t overrule copy-right ownership and are a bare-bones necessity for the platform to function. To say that the copy-right owner (Keldrith!) may no longer use nor dispose of his work while still using the license he granted the server to host his work as an excuse to instead have the Community Team use the work entirely (without being a significant alteration nor derivation) is very poor form for any person, let alone an administrator of the server.

 

The licensing agreement can’t, and shouldn’t, be used as a basis for administrators to take lore from its creators and refuse the creators use of their own lore. To deflect onto it as an argument is a pathetic handwave.

 

also unban me from the lotc discord. you banned me for pointing this out 4head

[monkeypoacher 6993]

@LotsOfMuffins rename your monks 4head

[tasty_cheesecake 915]

well but uh

 

but you see um

 

get the **** off my server

[squakhawk 7301]

even in the lore submission we were given we just said change the name simple as

[Sorcerio 4594]

Can’t wait for this thread to be locked and/or deleted too x3

[TheCapybara 1803]

 

Can the LOTC Staff for once not be Corrupt?

Or at least not filled with stubborn people?

A simple thing, change the name . . . Thanks and Goodbye.

 

[ Edit : This is not trying being rude to the staff team. I am simply saying

 how it is unfair that someone’s hard work is taken and it is ignored

that how those or that person’s work cannot be respected! of course I

thank the work placed by the staff of course still! This is not acceptable! ]

[IsaaKc 1225]

16 minutes ago, SilkieSilky said:

Can the LOTC Staff for once not be Corrupt?

Or at least not filled with stubborn people?

A simple thing, change the name . . . Thanks and Goodbye.

 

16 minutes ago, SilkieSilky said:

[ Edit : This is not being rude to the staff team.

what side are you even on

also calling all of staff corrupt isn’t even remotely true. there’s several staff that have commented on this thread in support of frill’s post. more like a few red tags. you gotta keep in mind that a good portion of lotc staff hate the way that administration is handling **** atm.

Edited July 4, 2020 by GrowUpNotFunny

[Werew0lf 12001]

frill can you like this post please I need to get some rep

[frill 2276]

Just now, Werew0lf said:

frill can you like this post please I need to get some rep

 

 

[Werew0lf 12001]

1 minute ago, frill said:

 

 

 

please don’t post that image, it’s from LOTC and you’re breaching the terms of service 

[Zacho 1735]

12 minutes ago, GrowUpNotFunny said:

 

what side are you even on

also calling all of staff corrupt isn’t even remotely true. there’s several staff that have commented on this thread in support of frill’s post. more like a few red tags. you gotta keep in mind that a good portion of lotc staff hate the way that administration is handling **** atm.

nothing more must be said, thanks homie

[rukio 8909]

lmao @frill Imagine being banned/kicked from the lotc discord instead of someone being forced to have a conversation with you when it’s their job. Can’t relate xd. 

[ReveredOwl 5314]

Demoted from coal vip.

[TheCapybara 1803]

2 hours ago, GrowUpNotFunny said:

 

what side are you even on

also calling all of staff corrupt isn’t even remotely true. there’s several staff that have commented on this thread in support of frill’s post. more like a few red tags. you gotta keep in mind that a good portion of lotc staff hate the way that administration is handling **** atm.

 

Sorry for this response everyone but! I Do want to say what I did say was very rude and immature, just feel very upset of how someone’s hard work is seeming to not be respected in my view, but overall I apologize for the terrible and rude comment which came out of anger. If you are a staff and feel upset by the comment I am sorry and respect the work you do.

[ydegirl 1756]

to quote a woman of MANY words, “what the f.ck is going on here in here on this day” -alyssa edwards