Aengoth 2883 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just felt it was necessary to bring up the recent issue where a group was allowed to get around the PVP lock and also teleport players away. Not looking to put anyone in particular on blast but this is a consistent problem. Issues that should have simple solutions are drawn out into hour long round table discussions that often result. The core of my issue with this is that the whole of the community should be held to the same standard and not be able to wear down the opposition for the purposes of avoiding consequences. The core complaints I have regarding this incident is that players were allowed to: Use PEX to TP away from and avoid conflict. Ignore a PVP lock and have 12+ extra players involved who were not present at the initial lock. D40 to avoid conflict (which is a suicide) If raiders are held to a higher standard then the same should be placed on defenders. 60 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfate786 1639 Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) Let's not forget the fact that raid caps in the server's current state is a stupid idea in of itself. If the ISA can rally 24 people with ease then raiders can rally 24 people in turn. This entire push to shove rule lawerying, hugboxing and sociopathic manipulation of the rules must come to an end. We're here to have fun, if you can't take PVP or conflict for that matter then go play on a towny server. Edited April 12, 2021 by drfate786 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor_Fellow 812 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Why wasn't the whole thing locked the moment roleplay combat began? After an hour of stalling, only ~3 of the original defenders were still around; the rest had either d40d, mechanically ran away after one emote, or teleported away with incredibly poor roleplay quality. The attackers ended up fighting a +15 man rally that gathered without any prior roleplay. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfate786 1639 Share Posted April 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Poor_Fellow said: Why wasn't the whole thing locked the moment roleplay combat began? After an hour of stalling, only ~3 of the original defenders were still around; the rest had either d40d, mechanically ran away after one emote, or teleported away with incredibly poor roleplay quality. The attackers ended up fighting a +15 man rally that gathered without any prior roleplay. This entire push to shove rule lawerying, hugboxing and sociopathic manipulation of the rules must come to an end. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypoacher 6993 Share Posted April 12, 2021 47 minutes ago, Aengoth said: What a ridiculous thing to emote. How do you type that and not think you've fucked up? If you thought you were in the right you'd have to care at all about the quality of the role-play and if you were in the wrong you'd want to be subtle. I'm somehow not offended by the PEX abuse, just the sheer stupidity of it. 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasty_cheesecake 915 Share Posted April 12, 2021 this would have earned you a ban in goddamn aegis lmao what is that emote 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiden0023 1374 Share Posted April 12, 2021 If any moderators would like any evidence on what Aengoth is claiming, message me at aiden0023#5853 on discord, I had recorded the entire conflict. Most of the ferrymen had too, so there is plenty of evidence on this subject. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfate786 1639 Share Posted April 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, monkeypoacher said: if you somehow find yourself emoting "a mist falls over (character) to teleport them away" you have fucked up, bottomed out on absurdity, and need to reevaluate how you play this server You see, sooner or later we'll need permission to simply step into providence or it'll count as raid baiting and harassment. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masouri 2131 Share Posted April 12, 2021 From my experience as a bandit and conflict roleplayer, this has been a consistent problem. There is also an inconsistency on how certain mods approach different situations. I want to thank @MayRndzfor being a great mod who has upheld every party to the same standard and regard, with no bias. Too frequently have mods been to lax on defending parties when it comes to blatant meta rallying after pvp lock has been initiated (once conflict starts) or allowing people to leave the roleplay with little to no roleplay to give them a valid reason to leave. I’m not going to put all the blame on mods, it also comes from an attitude held by many communities that “bandits and goons” are just toxic and a plague to the server. Conflict drives RP and we are always willing to compromise and usually are not the ones starting arguments. We are just here to experience the server in an approach we deem fun. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jentos 6814 Share Posted April 12, 2021 22 minutes ago, Aengoth said: D40 to avoid conflict (which is a suicide) I'm aware that you have no wish to bring anyone up necessarily - but I find that the rule concerning using the D40 command should be applied to offending players. Whether they were aware of this rule does not matter, as ignorance is no excuse - all are expected to be familiar with LoTC rules. Could it be possible for you, or someone else to clarify the situation in more details for those unaware of the context surrounding this event ? 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfate786 1639 Share Posted April 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jentos said: I'm aware that you have no wish to bring anyone up necessarily - but I find that the rule concerning using the D40 command should be applied to offending players. Whether they were aware of this rule does not matter, as ignorance is no excuse - all are expected to be familiar with LoTC rules. Could it be possible for you, or someone else to clarify the situation in more details for those unaware of the context surrounding this event ? I told them in VC to report rule breakers, rule lawyers and anyone being a genuine sociopath/shill but it would seem that it's better to "bully them off the server" instead of making a report for moderation. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeHaze. 2481 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Question: Why not post a ban report? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aengoth 2883 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, DrakeHaze. said: Question: Why not post a ban report? Seems less productive since the core of the issue is that GMs are present and allowing this to occur. Less worried about people being banned and more about preventing these things from happening in the future. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
louislxix 3054 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Free B[eboon]obby Shmurda. how unfortunate 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squakhawk 7303 Share Posted April 12, 2021 as was brought to me i'll be working on and dealing with the teleportation and breaking of magic rules and redlines. 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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