ScreamingDingo 16798 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2021 Your View - The Removal of Birds Hello, on behalf of the Administration I write this post to try and get the opinions of the use of “Birds” and their contribution to roleplay. They are a controversial mechanic in LotC that is at the forefront of meta-gaming issues within conflict situations and have been since they were introduced. The ability of the infinite, teleporting super-sonic bird that can get to anywhere and everywhere with the information necessary, which breaks the flow of roleplay and creates issues that dispel the dynamism of LotC as a whole. My own suggestion, with advice of the moderation and some refining would be along the lines of this. - To ban the use of /msg as an in-game medium way to message other players about information that is In-Character. Specifically, surrounding any conflict situations. I believe that the Mali-Rally plugin has alternative methods where this can be approached in roleplay. The notes plugin that has been introduced recently can be used for characters to talk to one another when offline, allowing for the meeting and arrangement of roleplay if necessary. This also allows for us to include authentic couriers for say, nations organising treaties or ransoms being made from bandits. There are many nuances surrounding this issue, but the main idea is to allow conflict to be organic and insular, where people cannot pull parties that should not be able to, to participate in it. We want to give power to the roleplayer, while being able to disarm those that try to use OOC methods to discredit the flow of roleplay. This post is an open discussion and something we want the community to evaluate as a whole. This is so that if the response is positive, we are able to draft a system of banning /msg for IC interactions that works well and is accepted in the community. If it goes horribly, nothing else we can do but bin the idea. - ScreamingDingo 96 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rukio 8910 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2021 Even if you ban birds I am still going to use birds when I wish to send letters to my friends about meeting up etc irp. 🍾 39 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoanOfArc 4586 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2021 I think it's dumb that you can be in the same city as someone when you log off but can't log on via discord pm-- but you can bird someone across the map by sending a bird from Haelun'or to firelands to rally. Personally, I think birds should only be for non-combat encounters. 51 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogged 2128 Share Posted August 25, 2021 this is dumb, mods can ban people and check for meta (theres always discord) 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryloth 4312 Share Posted August 25, 2021 the only bird mechanic that should stay is housemagery letter delivery, and it should only be possible from the household of the player with this magic -- or from a MArt designated as a hub in which to send/receive letters akin to an aviary, therefore requiring that a player be in proximity to this before sending a bird i have always hated the pocket pigeons people have, but i do think the housemage spell is 100% fine as of current, although if these measures were added it should be reduced to what i mentioned above. likewise regular aviaries should be a thing. +1 if in support of the above rather than whole removal 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmeepicus 3942 Share Posted August 25, 2021 IRP couriers? Kinda based. As long as there is a mechanic to replace it I see no issue with the removal of birds. Aviary plug-in would be cool to see as well but alas I do not know the feasibility of such a thing. 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentoa 1991 Share Posted August 25, 2021 I hate birds. I hate them so much please bring in an aviary system. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PixlHoopa 177 Share Posted August 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, JoanOfArc said: I think it's dumb that you can be in the same city as someone when you log off but can't log on via discord pm-- but you can bird someone across the map by sending a bird from Haelun'or to firelands. Personally, I think birds should only be for non-combat encounters. I highly agree with this post from JOA, as /msg keeps things clean and simple 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unwillingly 11113 Share Posted August 25, 2021 I agree that for conflict like CRP or PvP birds should be stricly disallowed in exchange for a better method of getting backup, but for something casual such as meeting up with your buddies in roleplay for a chat about whatever, it shouldn't need to be a hassle. At that point it'll just irritate people more than anything like imagine trying to meet up with your friend for casual RP and then a mod bans you for metagaming 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reckless Banzai Screamer 11530 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Beacon birds, floating light balls and all forms of /msg rallying should be gassed. I've only used birds recently if it was with an in game aviary or something and was just to let folks know to come on by so I could speak with them IRP. Courier rp like calabreeni's would be kino. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreamingDingo 16798 Author Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dogged said: this is dumb, mods can ban people and check for meta (theres always discord) Messages require exact time-stamps and Admin/Tech intervention to keep track of. It's an unsustainable system, and discord roleplay is currently invalid so meta-gaming through that will lead to a ban, either way. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattiii 1109 Share Posted August 25, 2021 I personally feel that the /msg mechanic should be removed and not replaced with anything period. It promotes RP to have a letter left in your mailbox or have a friend stop by for tea to have a chat instead of discussing over messages for an hour. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nooblius 5794 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Genocide the avian population, I can finally do post master general RP. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistedFries 426 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Personally, I would enjoy it if nations had to set up their own system for sending and receiving letters, such as a post office with couriers. That or if we try to get that bird plugin completed. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scourge 413 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Snip snip little birdie... I don't want to see birds anymore they make no RP sense, a bird is not going to find you when you're halfway between Haense and Norland on some random road unless it's been trained to specifically fly to that rock. Besides that they offer very little to RP other than a chance to metagame. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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