Cjmate 1252 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2022 Oren's OOC Hate War The last few days have, quite frankly, been hell for anyone roleplaying in Oren. People are heated over this civil war, more so than any other I have seen in my 10 years of playing in Oren. I was 18 when I joined this server, and I'm 28 now. OOCly, this is the worst I have ever seen Oren. When the Adrian Civil War happened years ago, the Adrians were mad that they lost, I was mad, but we accepted it OOCly and everyone was friendly with each other on an OOC level, if not a roleplay one. There wasn't OOC hate for individual people. In the past few days, I have heard: death threats, gaslighting, cussing out individuals, lying, friends leaving each other, people quitting the game altogether, Discord channels falling apart over choosing sides, and long friendships ending. The Oren Civil War is being waged on Discord and the forums as much as it is on the server, if not more so. People are stressed out, angry, sad and upset. This is not healthy. On the front page of this website it reads, "Our goal is to continue to be a place where players may learn to roleplay in a friendly and familiar environment, as well as be a place for more experienced roleplayers to enjoy for years to come." I have been on hiatus for a little over a month because Oren stresses me out. Exclusively Oren, because of all the other roleplay communities, while having their divisions, at least get along on an OOC level. I came back to this server three days ago, and I have had three friends quit the game in just as long. I am not writing this to say we stop fighting in-game. Conflict is necessary to drive narrative, but conflict should never, under any circumstances, spill into OOC drama. I think there are people on both sides of this conflict that have behaved incredibly irresponsibly, immaturely and have gone out of their way to fan the flames because they feed off the chaos. This is not a staff problem: it's a problem created by the players; however, at some point if this gets further out of hand, staff should intervene or the leaders of either party. Like it or not, Oren is the biggest roleplay group on this server, and it has been for more than ten years. The leader of Oren is, in my honest opinion, more important than any staff member, including administration. Our community was not created by the staff, it isn't maintained by the staff, and the staff didn't create this problem: our community is built by the people who play the game everyday, and it's the people that play the game everyday that have to fix it. I am calling on leaders of Oren to set aside their differences and have a civil conversation on how we can make things better for the players and stop the toxicity and vitriol. Not the characters, the players themselves. Because at this rate, if it keeps on, it's going to end in tragedy and ban reports. People are going to get salty, angry, or upset, and they're either going to quit Oren or quit the game. If you're going to be a leader in roleplay, you have an obligation to take care of your people and the people your people roleplay with; and if you can't do that, you don't have any business being a leader in roleplay. This isn't limited to nation leaders: leaders of military groups, noble houses, and settlements all have a responsibility to take care of and foster goodwill within the community. We have, clearly as evident, not being doing that. That's all I have to say. 76 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyitsNano 371 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Completely agree with you CJ. I think this has been a difficult experience for a lot of us players, and the tension created OOCly as a result of it is really really disheartening. I’m hoping this war can be settled as fast as possible so that things could go back to normal, and friendships, especially long existing ones, can be rebuilt. I’m pretty sad about possible friendships lost as a result of this, but here’s to hope. 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taketheshot 3834 Share Posted April 17, 2022 This is what life feels like right now 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmeepicus 3941 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2022 Seeing a screenshot from the Kingdom of Oren discord of folks calling the Peter supporters "Peterphiles" is quite disappointing and makes light of something that should not be joked about. People need to get a grip and realize it's a video game. I've been lucky enough to experience cordial roleplay with all sides- I could give two fucks about people hurling insults back and forth IRP- when it gets to an OOC level is where the line should be drawn. Ultimately though, I agree wholeheartedly with your points. The fact people are quitting over this is disheartening and the civil war is driving a wedge between groups of friends. I believe the conflict should continue- as it is honestly some of the best RP I've had the chance of experiencing over the past year, if not more, and while my experience has been tame- it does not mean everyones has. 52 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshBright 2104 Share Posted April 17, 2022 And people wonder why i choose neutrality. Good post CJ. +1 22 minutes ago, Cjmate said: you have an obligation to take care of your people and the people your people roleplay with I did this for the Munnel. at first no one supported me. now i got the support of my entire house. Why? They saw what i saw. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
annanicole__ 1540 Share Posted April 17, 2022 I've been on LotC since 2018, and this is the most oocly hate I've ever seen. And I believe that certain issues exaggerate people's emotions a little too much. But, ideally, if everything settles down, the friendships I've lost can be repaired. 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MailC3p 1108 Share Posted April 17, 2022 i've seen jack shit in terms of ooc, the most heated i've seen it get was in the wiki discord earlier today when i said "L, one man house" To Grnappa, obviously day 1 of the war was the most heated, i had 20 people in my DMs asking me what the **** was happening and people from both sides asking me to join them, and with the sacking of vuillermoz i know some people got upset at that becuase Vuillermoz had yet to pick a side in the war, but besides that i've seen practically nothing in terms of ooc, most of my friends are still my friends, though some people have left my discord server because i support Lion and they support Jay. as well as what Shmeep said in his response, i was also pretty dissapointed when i saw people from my own side calling jay supporters 'peterphiles' it just seems really tasteless, especially considering the 2nd to last Emperor we had. also, to people like @Shmeepicusand Ave, and just anyone who was my friend OOCly before this war but are now on the other side, i'd just like to say that i do not care for your IRP position, because i find it really silly to suddenly hate your OOC friends because they IRPly like another guy who you do not like is just next level dumbassery, but at the same time if you are someone who suddenly OOCly hate someone you where friends with because they IRPly support another guy, perhaps you should just leave lotc and go touch some grass, maybe learn how to allow friends to have opinions that aren't the same as yours. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmeepicus 3941 Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 minute ago, MailC3p said: i've seen jack shit in terms of ooc, the most heated i've seen it get was in the wiki discord earlier today when i said "L, one man house" To Grnappa, obviously day 1 of the war was the most heated, i had 20 people in my DMs asking me what the **** was happening and people from both sides asking me to join them, and with the sacking of vuillermoz i know some people got upset at that becuase Vuillermoz had yet to pick a side in the war, but besides that i've seen practically nothing in terms of ooc, most of my friends are still my friends, though some people have left my discord server because i support Lion and they support Jay. as well as what Shmeep said in his response, i was also pretty dissapointed when i saw people from my own side calling jay supporters 'peterphiles' it just seems really tasteless, especially considering the 2nd to last Emperor we had. Vuillermoz was RP my man- as I said, we keep that shit IRP. o7 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MailC3p 1108 Share Posted April 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Shmeepicus said: Vuillermoz was RP my man- as I said, we keep that shit IRP. o7 yes of course, though i will be real with you Shmeep, 3-4 hour CRP is not my thing man... not my thing but still, i was told people where OOCly upset, not your guys, mainly just Vuiller people. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
excited 10831 Share Posted April 17, 2022 This is by far not the most toxic war on Lord of the Craft, sorry. Why do I know that? Because in one I was involved with I got DDOS'd and flat out doxxed, and had somebody threatening to drive out to my house. My IP address was compromised by Staff members ages ago as well, about four-years ago in the midst of some highly volatile drama of that time period. Now, I'm not saying your feelings are invalid. I take the server with so little seriousness now because honestly I see other human beings behind the screen and unless I'd say something to somebody in-person (IRL), I opt not to say it online. I trust this is a taxing experience for you. While we cannot expect people to come together and agree about everything, the bare minimum we can all do is shake hands, have some good role-play and a good warclaim. Let us all enjoy this historical part of the game we all know and love and dissuade the sh*t disturbers from both sides from spreading needless hate & drama; because LoTC truly isn't the cesspit it used to be. PBUH. Thanks for coming to Ask Derfey. 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmeepicus 3941 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Just now, EX. DERFEY said: This is by far not the most toxic war on Lord of the Craft, sorry. Why do I know that? Because in one I was involved with I got DDOS'd and flat out doxxed, and had somebody threatening to drive out to my house. My IP address was compromised by Staff members ages ago as well, about four-years ago in the midst of some highly volatile drama of that time period. Now, I'm not saying your feelings are invalid. I take the server with so little seriousness now because honestly I see other human beings behind the screen and unless I'd say something to somebody in-person (IRL), I opt not to say it online. I trust this is a taxing experience for you. While we cannot expect people to come together and agree about everything, the bare minimum we can all do is shake hands, have some good role-play and a good warclaim. Let us all enjoy this historical part of the game we all know and love and dissuade the sh*t disturbers from both sides from spreading needless hate & drama; because LoTC truly isn't the cesspit it used to be. PBUH. Thanks for coming to Ask Derfey. based Eli take 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MailC3p 1108 Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Shmeepicus said: based Eli take also shmeep, since you're clearly awake rn, mind hoping onto lotc rq and help me break into the remains of Reutov? i need a mod to watch me lockpick chests. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivoreyy 2179 Share Posted April 17, 2022 I might just be traumatised due to the war of the two emperors a few years back, but overall ive actually been very impressed with the lack(?) of toxicity in this war. Sure, yeah, there's definitely some questionable things (as there is every day on lotc), but I actually think this is almost a positive step for lotc and war. You make good points regarding how important NLs are, moreso than staff, but I think what really needs to happen is a continuation of prioritising rp > ooc. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCapybara 1760 Share Posted April 17, 2022 I see what your saying. But this war’s toxicity is not even on the level of the Sedan war. People who are siding with the Empire side of this conflict are still allowed in the Kingdom Of Oren discord. They are treated nicely. But when they are those bad apples in the bunch who try to do these types of actions (doxxing, toxic behavior, etc.) then of course try in your own power to report them. No one will be able to report others for you. I am not saying your feelings are invalid. I just do not see through the liens which you see through. Also. I think many of us are trying to prevent another Sutican war situation or even a War of Two emperors situation. Which I was around for and was very chaotic oocly as a newer player. Let us all just remember this is a mineman game. A pixelated game. And they are also mods who are willing to take on reports and will take action. I am not saying oh you cannot say something is stupid. Just saying everyone should remain calm and if someone thing does happen. Report it. And keep it ooc. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeteorDragon 2705 Share Posted April 17, 2022 22 minutes ago, annanicole__ said: I've been on LotC since 2018, and this is the most oocly hate I've ever seen. And I believe that certain issues exaggerate people's emotions a little too much. But, ideally, if everything settles down, the friendships I've lost can be repaired. I too joined in 2018, albeit in December and this has been the worst I've seen stuff get for war. Sadly it's hard to repair friendships, if not impossible. People need to learn to keep ooc in ooc and rp in rp. Losing friends is always just terrible and while this isn't the worst that's happened on the server, especially for me and Derfey, it is still bad. Losing friends over mineman means it's almost certain things won't repair themselves. Hell, I still have friends I lost in 2020 when I left that I've not made up with. I've generally tried to keep out of war stuff and the only Oren discord I'm in is Vuillermoz so I know know what happened to them. My vision on it is skewed and I've not dealt with wars much in the past besides being an outside observer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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