1.8 v 1.9

[Orlanth 3525]

This debate has been had so many times that you're all wasting your breath. Tech need to spend their time on more important things like the fishing plugin.

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[_Adzy 36]

Why go back, just learn 1.9 we all had to when the update came in, you guys just stuck in the past still lolll even if the server went back and it was 1.8, got to fix your lag issue on a lower number fight first 

[monkeypoacher 6993]

It's not just that 1.9 pvp is difficult to learn. 1.9 pvp has a higher skill floor and a lower skill ceiling. It's a skill ventilation duct, one you have to wriggle through like a worm. Memorize a bunch of timers and tedious mechanical inputs to stay alive, but still feel handicapped from making plays by lag, swing timers and saturation health regen which un-does any damage you do. Surge PvP only adds to the problem by dumping a bunch of new timers and status effects that, while making combat less straightforward, doesn't actually add extra skill expression. There is a cap on how much damage you are able to do, and an odious saturation mechanic which rewards you for eating a steak while someone combos you and running away.

 

1.8 pvp is a glorious skill meadow with a vast open sky. Once you master the only real mechanical challenge of timing your sprint with your attacks (which really just involves tapping w or shift in sync with left click) and the rest of the skill expression is movement, positioning, and tracking. It is the thinking man's minecraft combat, a pvp minigame that allows you to be a Grand Strategist - predict your opponent's movement, strafe around their aim and combo them. Simple enough to master, but with enough extra complexity to be satisfying. There's also a real sense of speed and tempo that is immensely satisfying to my lizard brain.

 

All of this is to say there's a reason other minecraft networks with much heavier server loads and more stringent technical limits find out how to make 1.8 PvP work. 1.8 PvP is the GOAT, the big earner, the crowd pleaser. If it's impossible to implement on LoTC for technical reasons, then we should accept that PvP is no longer one of our strengths, and try to make other mechanics (resource gathering, brewing, cooking) rewarding instead. 

 

I still think there are some quality of life changes that could make 1.9 pvp better, if not as good as 1.8. First of which is replacing saturation with flat/no regen - no more shoveling steak in your mouth when someone gets the drop on you, you always know based on your healthbar when to engage an opponent or when to run away. Hunger is an annoying mechanic anyway, forcing people to scarf down entire meals in the middle of polite conversation in RP, so I can't see how it would be missed. The second idea would be to make food heal a small, flat amount of HP, like Grass in Demon's Souls, allowing players to heal out of combat or make risk-reward plays based on positioning. And third would be to cut out RNG. Status effects are a fun idea in concept but compound on the problem of learned helplessness that 1.9 induces. Stuns, bleed etc. could all be induced by consumables or could reward some other mechanic with extra damage.

 

[argonian 12836]

1.9 with any bit of lag is ******* miserable. hope and pray that your hit will register. makes warclaims an utter joke

 

also, like char said, 1.9 has a high skill floor and a low skill ceiling. that's a big problem. see, any moron can be decent at 1.8 pvp. you will be schooled in a 1v1 against anyone good, of course, BUT even if you've never pvp'd before in your life, you can still contribute to group fights. whereas in 1.9 if you're a bad pvper, even one with a bit of experience that just isn't very good, you're utterly worthless even in group fights. you're not gonna contribute even the slightest and you'll be lucky to get any damage in.

 

i'm only a bit bad at 1.9 pvp, not awful, but I do lag on lotc and so I tend to fight a lot worse here than on other servers because of that, and it's the most frustrating and miserable experience. whereas with 1.8 pvp? i'm not great at that either, but I always have fun, win or lose. because even if you're terrible at 1.8, you can deal some damage and feel like you did something, but with 1.9 you're just frustrated that you're literally helpless. 

[Pancakehz 1697]

On 6/16/2022 at 2:31 PM, MailC3p said:

 

you mean to tell me 40 people is your baseline for why you think we  should bring 1.8 back to lotc? that is absolutley ridiculous.

 

40 people spread out across an entire map 1v1ing eachother?? okay.

 

i've seen 50 or 60 people fights in Almaris where it didn't lag a bit, does that mean we should keep 1.9?? just a few weeks ago a buncha tripartite people (i forgot how many, i think somewhere between 50-70?) rallied and fought Ferrymen + BV at the Norland  Ferrymen keep and there was no lag at all in a battle of like 90 people. during the siege of Haverlock with over 200 people fighting at the same time, there was lag but barely any at all, you would hit a person and half a second later they would take damage. during the sutican war in Arcas, even a battle as small as a 5v5 was enough to crash the entire  server sometimes. at the end of the day i would love 1.8 to come back as it's a way lower of a skill gap, means people like the ferrymen or blackvale are less valuable as everyone can left click really quick,  but with the performance boosts i've  seen during Almaris vs Arcas i just don't see it being reasonable.

Are you referring to the raid on shipwreck keep where server tps was 11 and you had to hold your bows for extra time and use warhammers to do the damage of a long sword? I like both 1.8 and 1.9 but saying that a fight like that was lagless is major cope. The lag on arcas wasn’t caused by 1.8 pvp if you recall we were going through a period where the server tps was constantly at 1-4 tps. Even without pvp going on.

[Taketheshot 3834]

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[Acostrob 254]

this is a roleplay server, but if I absolutely had to choose I'd say 1.9, requires actual skill and timing rather than a dragclicking mouse

[Pinks 306]

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