Realms Plugin

[Nooblius 5794]

Hey, appreciate the plugin! I'm sure it'll defo make managing some stuff easier. Only feedback or thought I have is that to consider a way to be part of multiple realms, even if one is a 'primary' realm. If the goal is to make managing things easier, and the managing of things is meant to reflect roleplay, then there are plenty of times where someone is part of multiple 'groups' at once. I also think having a consideration for vassals within Nations would be good in the current way the server works. Mika gives a good example of Lubba keep and etc.

But it's a fantastic foundation, and your work is appreciated.

[Llir 5713]

First off I wanted to thank @Adelemphii for their hard work on this plugin, and ask anyone to please redirect their displeasure towards myself, as this plugin concept was my design, Adele just did the work to bring it to life.

 

I wanted to take some time to clarify the purpose of this plugin since I see a lot of responses leaning heavily on the membership aspects of it and making comparisons to factions. This plugin was primarily designed to replace many of the manual functions that come with our server's land-management system, i.e. tiles, settlements, nations, etc. These systems are the backbone of many of rules relating to wars, region permissions, locks, build standards, and other conflict such as raids. This makes it important that we can keep who is in-charge of what organized. There are many other plugins that assign ownership to things, such as regions, soulstone pillars, treasuries, locks - when a nation/settlement leader changes there is a lot of work that needs to be done staff-side to transfer those over. This plugin provides a central system to tie all of those together and creates a very useful tool for staff.

 

Then there is the membership aspects of the plugin. The main reason for this was to tie into the war system - having personas tied to a nation helps us prevent people participating in wars just for the PVP, and this system could replace the very manual and labor-intensive war roster system we currently do before fights, which many of you are familiar with. It wouldn't make sense to only have this take effect during wars, as then people could just sign up for any side with no prior associations. Plus, having this plugin in use all the time adds a lot of possibility and cool features to enhance roleplay, which I'll discuss later on. As for the 'invite' functionality - that was required so that we could keep lairs secret and not show up on the list. I want to make something clear, outside of wars, the realms membership really has no effect. You can have it displayed on your card if you want, and generally should tie into where your persona's primary home is, but really there is very little player-facing effects other than when wars come around. Being part of a realm doesn't provide/consolidate any 'power' to an NL - it really doesn't give them anything. I saw some comments about rebellions/coups and that this plugin could be harmful to those efforts, but it really is the opposite. It will allow us to see who is a member of a realm before any plotting actually even started, and assure that internal conflict truly is internal. We already lock region membership during events like this, this plugin won't change that, and code provide smoother mechanisms for staff to handle those kind of things. As mentioned above, the primary audience for this plugin is staff, with some useful features for nations/settlement leaders.

 

Most of the features of this plugin were just ported over from existing rules/systems, there really isn't any day-to-day functionality changed by this system. I will note a very fair criticism is the lock on changing what Realm you belong to. As this plugin was designed based off the existing system the limitation was just copied over from /cex nationality. However seeing how that was primarily for wars, and this plugin could tie into more systems, this feature will just be annoying without serving any real purpose, we will definitely reevaluate it.

 

Really, this plugin is very simple at it's core - it maintains a list of nations/settlements that people can join. However the possibilities of what we can do with this framework are vast, it was a core component of our server's rules and mechanics that did not have any code, and left a lot of gaps in possible plugin development. This plugin fills those gasp in our core APIs that have been blocking us from making other features that are more geared towards elevating and promoting roleplay. Ideas we've considered in the past, such as a custom lock-plugin with automatic controls on citizen/guard doors, mechanics that only function during raids, allowing leaders to make their own sub-regions in tiles and cities, an automatically generated political world map, less strict activity requirements, and cutting staff red-tape in many other areas such surrounding regions/tiles are now possible due to the framework that this plugin provides.

 

Thank you everyone for your feedback on this plugin, it definitely is important to get the perspectives on how our staff-managed systems can impact players day-to-day, and make changes to help make them better. If you have any questions or want to chat about this plugin and/or the systems surrounding it, feel free to shoot me a message on Discord, Llir#5410. We're re-evaluating a lot of these systems as part of 9.0 Map Development as well, so this is a great time to be having these kind of discussions.

 

Cheers.

[Shmeepicus 3941]

On 6/18/2022 at 6:45 PM, Panashea said:

I think this plugin would be a nightmare anytime anyone tried to scheme or plot anything beyond worshipping the NLs. Consolidating OOC power through plugins is kinda empowering the awful mentality of shadow leaders and funneling new players into cliques by spamming them on the forums before they even join the server.

 

What happens when someone rebels or disagrees with the NL? Is a subrealm made? How do you actually know who is on which side and is everyone going to get shafted for doing so? Why would I allow people to rebel when I could just kick them from the realm? 

 

How are mods, who can barely handle roads and landscars gonna take over the 50+ modreqs everytime a clique changes sides in conflict? How is this easier when more bureaucracy is added and warclaim lists already work well enough

 

I love you Adele and the work you do for the server but I just don't think this plugin is necessary, especially when most players want other systems first. (A tutorial or new player experience would be nice)

 

I wait 20 hours for y'all to sign an item sometimes :|

 

take away my Mod pex mr Admin!

[ScreamingDingo 16792]

2 hours ago, Shmeepicus said:

 

I wait 20 hours for y'all to sign an item sometimes :|

 

take away my Mod pex mr Admin!

me when *logs off* makes us useless because we cannot access inventories offline or do signs when people aren't there

[Glade 521]

14 hours ago, ScreamingDingo said:

me when *logs off* makes us useless because we cannot access inventories offline or do signs when people aren't there

IT is a cool thing that tech team is working on a solution for that.

[TheArtificer 24]

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Edited June 20, 2022 by TheArtificer
I didn't read.

[Panashea 2644]

On 6/19/2022 at 4:19 PM, Shmeepicus said:

 

I wait 20 hours for y'all to sign an item sometimes :|

 

take away my Mod pex mr Admin!

 

Bro I don't even sign things, weird jab especially when you're selfreporting how much staff sucks as a whole