Havsbris_ 441 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) As many have seen on Twinny's ban post, a response by the admin team has been finally filled, and further--it was the response everyone already expected. A hollow, overextended excuse for the admin team to remove someone they didn't like. An excuse to abuse their station, and overextend past the rules and checks of this leadership community, all for the sake of dredging two members of this community through double standards because several of the administrators to their heinous, hypocritical obsession over bias towards other nations. This post is going to be locked, most likely, and I will either face punishment, or a blacklisting for even speaking out against administration. The admin team has shown not only have they abused their station by overstepping the mod team's say, but they have provided no evidence, no substance, and no proper quality to their decision. They have effectively banned two players on the schizophrenic concept 'if they stay they will destroy everything', with no evidence besides 'they were being mean, according to other people'. Lets get into the details of the admin response. "While the Administration does not permit bias toward any nation, we do care deeply for each individual player group, and if something would threaten to wipe out their existence as Twi had stated multiple times, this is a problem. This leads to some of the more publicly problematic behaviors Twi displayed which were extremely worrying to anyone with roleplay in their best mind." The team has provided us as the players of Celia'nor and Malin'or a genuine face they have treated us fairly. We were pushed out of a community we held alive for the sake of giving a dead nation back to the same people who kept it under, then let it flounder and die under that same administration. We have been treated unfairly by admin team, who has denied us the same opprotunities other nations have been given. The fact ItDontMatta had came to threaten Twinny that 'I will not allow you to touch Haelun'or' in dms, yet Krugmar dismantling Elysium because 'their leadership is bad' is perfectly allowed. The double standard that the community of Elysium, providing 10% of server activity at the time, wasn't valued at all, compared to Haelun'or, that didn't even pull 2% to keep their nation check allowed. "However, despite this, Twi still would engage in several ooc plots to suit their agenda. OOC threats, ramblings on destroying various nations, their cultures, their playerbases, both in target of an unrelated handful of people and their characters, and simply (with quote) because they could. Twi stated verbosely how they would not stop attempting to destroy other playerbases to the best of their ability until they were stopped by Administration/Moderation, and would then continue to push the limit." If this, loose claims of 'ooc agenda plots' not only are given no details as to what, or evidence, then deserves a deeper investigation into the 'ooc plots' of every nation leader. Krugmar, Haelun'or, and further nations and settlements have, with screenshots ready and available, engaged in 'death war' plots, threats, and insults directed at other nations, with leaders engaging in ploys to oocly manipulate, and bully their way into dismantling other nations. This is not a Twinny, or Monkee exclusive thing, so if you're going to ban them over such a reason, the whole server needs an investigation then. "They would harass members of the Vale and Haelun’or publically pre and post the war, constantly trying to get them to join Malinor through bullying, OOC pressure, blackmail, and other means. When they refused, Twi stated their intention to then conquer them. They’d mention this constantly oocly about how they wanted to destroy them. This need to destroy communities and harass their players off the server, is without saying, unacceptable. The harassment of these players and nations, to make them conform to their demands is against our Mission Statement of Roleplay First. By acting with all these ooc plots with no roleplay intention, driven entirely by ego and manipulation, it is clear that they don’t care for any of the other communities and just want to exert OOC pressure onto other players and destroying their communities whilst manipulating their own into being a platform which enables so." The vale, expressly, has remained out of the mouth of the Malin leadership for months, due to the knowledge the Vale had been insulting us in OOC, staff chats, and treating us poorly, knowing if we even spoke up, this sort of situation would occur. Haelun'or equally, is responsible too for 'ooc toxicity' in which the entirety of the 'republican plot' was a ploy to dismantle the Haelun'or leadership at the time, an OOC plot and ploy that dredged into IC. Where is their bans? Where is their punishment? Where is their fair treatment? The admin team has shown an unfair bias, an overstepping of their powers and checks by ignoring the mod team fully, and deciding to base an unfair ban and treatment of select people they have harassed for months. This requires the Mod team must step in, and demand change, because this will not be the last 'harassment' ban the admin team will conduct. Edited July 14, 2022 by Havsbris_ 60 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmiliainWonderland 1526 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Might I just say this is certainly NOT the first time that itdontmatta has actively pushed people out of things simply because he didn't like them or what they do oocly. This was a problem even before he became an administrator and throughout wars, he's shown himself to be a rude and uncaring administrator who is NOT focused on providing anything for the community beyond war. 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabby64 1295 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Yeah thats cool and all but #freecakefool 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeHaze. 2481 Share Posted July 14, 2022 An LoTC supervillain was sent to the shadow realm and you want the mod team to start a revolution. 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidandNull 356 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Not the first time the Admins have fucked up, and it won't be the last. I've been saying this for the past three years and I will continue to keep saying it. LOTC is, and has been a cesspool. The admins are a contributing factor to that because of constant bias and slip ups that end up with pedos and actual harassers not banned. Stop expecting something good from the red tags. You won't get it. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJosey 1215 Share Posted July 14, 2022 free monkee 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slorbin 1771 Share Posted July 14, 2022 free noz 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonke 1873 Share Posted July 14, 2022 "Considering the post is locked, I'm not sure where to say it, but if twi did such things, I would definitely pull her ears If things and I could trust your 'words' on this but you know better than I do that the voices spread across this server are overly dramatic from time to time, especially coming from unnamed groups. I had my experience with twis and disagreements(a lot of them) but I can't believe outright someone's say without any proofs being shown. Could you please explain why the moderator wasn't warned about this situation and allowed the small group of admins to handle it? Why the many other groups can continue to do their ooc shenanigans and don't tell me guys you don't have any proofs cause It can be seen from miles away by anyone." This is what I told Squak and thank you Havbris for making a post in which would give me a chance to leave a comment. I must admit that I've seen a paranoia growning on Twi that made her say things but outright harassing? Outright vile behaviour? It is not what I've seen in 3-4 years from Twi- I know she can get very angry and be dramatic(like me or many others) but never this wicked like she's been rapresented in that response. Sometimes, I did doubt on her but instead of cowering myself behind trash talking, I came forward to Twi and spoke with em- we've resolved our problems and she clarified stuff like a proper human being. It's another of those situation which her wording is taken out of context and reported to make her look bad. I had good interactions with twi both IC and OOC and she's given a lot of rp unlike those who hide behind their hug-boxes to do their white supremacist larping roleplay. Please, If Twi did such things show such proofs, or otherwise I won't believe anyone's word. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeawithFrisket 2616 Share Posted July 14, 2022 The State of LOTC is in without a shadow of a doubt, truly In a Down turn. LOTC has gradually become more end more based towards ooc relations. A prime argument I have stood by, is that OOC relations influence the whole server, especially if you piss off someone within staff team who has thee powers to remove you from the server. All in all, truly a disappointment. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creator_Alan 232 Share Posted July 14, 2022 What I'm trying to understand is, its clear you all have known about admin abuse on this scale for what looks like years and yet you still play here? From experience, posts like this is just noise if you are going to keep playing regardless of the abuse. It sounds like to me we have a stockholm syndrome type deal going on here. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower 226 Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ScarletFrisket said: The State of LOTC is in without a shadow of a doubt, truly In a Down turn. LOTC has gradually become more end more based towards ooc relations. A prime argument I have stood by, is that OOC relations influence the whole server, especially if you piss off someone within staff team who has thee powers to remove you from the server. All in all, truly a disappointment. I completely agree. I will also say that even the process of being unbanned takes months for some players, who's actions were not as bad as those still unbanned on the server. Edited July 14, 2022 by Sunflower 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rukio 8910 Share Posted July 14, 2022 What did you expect after Nectorist and Narthok? 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredrickTeufel 316 Share Posted July 14, 2022 I wish I could be innocent again. I wish I could ignore the BS of the forums and return to when I would just hang out with my friends. Me and the boys in Oren would just run around talk about the latest plan to destroy the Holy Orenian Empire. Kinda odd though how the actions of Urguan, Haense, and Norland against Oren back during the Tripartite years though would result in their NL's ban. These ban reasons are very broad, and using the logic behind them, I could get several individuals who have done these same crimes banned permanently if I felt like it, as could several other individuals. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_Language_1 1670 Share Posted July 14, 2022 bro I don't believe this, this ain't like Twi at all. Also free LunaBurnFire, y'all falsely banned them as some random-ass alt even though they didn't have a PC until just recently 💀 Stop using Community Guidelines as a shit excuse to ban like y'all been doing recently.. y'all banned Twi for "harassment", even tho there are many people y'all could have banned for harassment.. but you let them run free? Free my boy Monke, stop trying to use moderation tools to kill playerbases you don't like-- 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slorbin 1771 Share Posted July 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, rukio said: What did you expect after Nectorist and Narthok? what the actual **** 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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