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Whats with Lotc?: The issue of Transphobia, Homophobia and Racism


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As someone who has been a moderator multiple times and someone who has been on the internet in general for a long time, I can tell that you are speaking from a position of inexperience or maybe even ignorance for how these processes work. I have no doubt that I will be rehashing what some people have already said but since it's relevant I'll say it anyway. 

 

The internet consists a vastly varied demographic worldwide which includes contrasting cultural attitudes, perspectives, and worldviews. Lord of the Craft is no different and also consists of varying demographics whether it be users from varying fantasy fandom subcultures, varying countries, varying ethnicities and so on. Lord of the Craft, in no official capacity, "desperately" tries to be 'woke' and a 'safe space' devoid of criticism and bias. Forcing players to conform to one mindset on the server would alienate large groups of players who just wish to enjoy a fantasy setting.

 

Of course, Moderation (generally-speaking) on LotC does its best to protect users from hateful and harassing content present on the server's official platforms: the Minecraft server, the forums, the main discord, and the staff discord. Targeted and persistent harassment found on-platform will result in months-long bans. There are also rules against discussions of a political or controversial nature on-platform, however sometimes depending on the moderator they are more lax with their warnings and will only put an end to the discussion if it reaches points of contention.

 

Community leaders of unofficial platforms (usually settlement or nation discords these days) are generally expected to handle topics that happen on their own platforms. It is not the duty of the server's moderators to enforce anything outside of the server's platforms. Exceptions are made in grievous circumstances such as predators who are considered a danger to the community if given a platform, but generally it is the responsibility of those community leaders to ensure that their platforms abide by their own community guidelines as well as ensuring that discord's guidelines are met, reporting individuals to Discord Support if needed. In circumstances where it is in private messages on Discord, you should ignore them, block them or report them to Discord Support.

 

With your general demeanour, you come off as emotionally immature, antagonistic and passive-aggressive. I have personally interacted with you in the past on Discord and I have seen how you have interacted with other people so I am taking your claim that you were randomly DM'd a transphobic insult while providing no surrounding context or evidence with a grain of salt. Last I saw you in an in-depth conversation, you were upset and had a small rant which included insults in Haense's discord months ago calling people OOCly transphobic because some of those present were not RPly receptive to some LGBT post you wrote (Link includes a few snippets, conversation is publicly available in #general of Haense discord if anyone's curious). A past username of yours is also a play on the word 'Misandry' which is the dislike/contempt/prejudice against men, which seems consistent with your usage of 'cis men' in an insulting manner. If I recall correctly, I believe I've also seen your username with an infraction for slander in the infraction database. I wish you good luck on your path to self-improvement.

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Why point the finger towards LotC? This isn't a server problem, its a world problem and more specifically an internet problem. The moderators and admins are limited on how much they can micro manage actual hateful people and/or trolls. 
It's good to bring awareness, but I feel like all people do on the forums is complain about a situation that won't ever be fixed solely by moderation.
Point toxic behavior towards nation leaders, friends, and just members of a community. Mod's alone can't fix the problem and that isn't their fault. 

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I have been on the server since 2015. Here I have received threats to my person, insults, and been alienated by communities all in OOC. Sometimes the reasons for this were RP based (like if one of my characters does something some folks don't like) sometimes it is not and is rather based on holding socialist and anarchist believes that just warrants this sort of attack. The sad thing is, that at the end of the day, the community will protect you if you bring activity to it. Does not matter if you are a pedo, a fascist (I mean fascists), or just a veining narcissistic, you bring people and activity you will be praised. Does not matter how much fucked up shit you do. So many friends of mine left this server, at its always the same reasons: The OOC hatred, bullying, and threats. I myself left the server multiple times for this reason. I come back because I was lucky enough to be part of a community where we make sure these people do not get a hold and aim for OOC compassion towards people. Sadly, not everyone is this lucky. The solution is at the hands of the mods and also at the hands of players that form these communities, we all have the chance to do better.

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17 hours ago, monkeypoacher said:

 

this thread is about accusing some chick on the internet you don't know of "secretly being a man."

 

whatever your political opinions are on someone's lifestyle it isn't a "STASI-tier political purge" if people take exception to you harassing them over it

I'm against harassment, and I've stated so; I think those whom harass others should be reported via the systems in place, with proof.  But I'm consciously trying to act in a moderating influence on any emotional reaction to this sort of thing, this is a highly-highly-highly emotional issue for some people, and with all highly emotional issues, it can go too far in the perceived 'solution'.  I truly believe that if taken to its logical conclusion, a top-down approach to this issue will cause more harm than good, solutions to this have to come from the cliques themselves moderating themselves, NOT from folk spying in discords in order to leak naughty logs of their political opponents (Which is EXACTLY what will happen if such is allowed to occur).

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23 hours ago, Zacho said:

(e.g. people incorrectly calling Native Americans something else)

this is misinfo USA natives prefer the term indian

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Me like many others wish there was change to things like this sooner both oocly and icly, but we gotta remember that change comes slowly. Now, have I been guilty of getting frustrated and letting my frustrations and anger getting to me and taking it out on others like you have because the change is not coming as quickly as I would like for it to have come? 100% YES, have I apologized for that? Yes. 

 

Now, it's a bit hard to change people's irl views, but most people will be respectful about you being LGBT + or transgender. Now there are those who don't agree with it due to religion and culture, but even most of them will keep that to themselves and still allow you to live your life. Should you interact with them and make them your friends? Probably not, unless you can handle knowing your friends sees being your true self is a sin and you can't do much to change that. As for those that harasses or bullies you just because you talk about your experience as a LGBT+ or transgender person, they do deserve to get banned. There was a player that got banned a year ago or something because they said lesbian slurs to me on the server out of the blue (had no clue who they were). But I screenshotted it and reported it, guess what happened? They got banned. Do they all get banned? Probably not if most of the proof is from a vc and it was not recorded. But most staff does try, are they all perfect, no of course not. But we gotta remember that not all proof is enough, as some is very lacking.

 

Now as for irp, are there those that roleplays certain way irp because of their irl views. Yes. Do they all do that, no. Now if you want to change how a culture or religion on lotc works, it will take time. Look at the women's rights, that has taken a long time. Should it have taken that long? Probably not, but that is not the point. If you want change irp, do it slow. And make it make sense, you can't just post one post on "This is this and that, therefore you should allow this and that". And usually it won't be enough alone, but you gotta do them in certain ways that makes sense irp for them to happen. Without including too much of the modern days words on it or modern explanations. Like priests being allowed to be women happened AFTER women got equal rights irp. 

 

It is okay to be frustrated with how sexism, racism, homophobia and transphobia is still going on icly and oocly. It's understandable, just try and not take it out on people who did not do it. I'm still trying to make sure I don't, though I do **** up from time to time. But I try my best to hold myself accountable and work on myself when I do.  

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Edit: I am not black, so I can only really speak and give advice on the topic of LGBT+ stuff and sexism. POC experiences and advice on that is not my place to speak on.
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On 7/19/2022 at 6:29 PM, ydegirl said:

 

 nicer, kinder, sexier, beautifuler, my skin has cleared up

 

I mean you have a point regarding homophobia etc.. and should be punished since the rules state as such, but how in the world does this make any ******* sense??

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The first thing Moderation can do is up the ban times from 24 hours to a week and make them more severe if they continue the behaviour. I for one never followed the recommended one day ban while on Moderation- if you said a slur, regardless of whether it was directed at someone or not- you’d be seeing the sunlight for a week at the very least. If it was your second time and I caught you- a month, so on so forth. The ban time for those kinds of infractions need to be upped.

 

I do believe this is something that was looked at with the new infraction system however- if not, I stand by what I said. 

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6 hours ago, Lord of Boars said:

this is misinfo USA natives prefer the term indian

It varies depending on the specific group/tribe, but this is partially right. People need to know that the term "American Indian" isn't always a horrible misnomer in today's world.

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There is honestly a real problem that players have with racism and homophobia on the server. It is very cyclical, unfortunately. Anonymity allows people to say some pretty horrible things, and so especially in the earlier part of Lord of the Craft's history, these styles of toxicity were commonly normalized among the player base at large. Because of that initial situation, that thereby spawns a culture where new players are exposed to that same toxicity and adopt it as a model for their behavior because they want the attention of more veteran players, which spawns a WHOLE other set of issues that have also been a significant problem for the community recently.

 

The only way to combat this is to do what the administration and Moderation are doing now: to essentially come down as hard as possible on the people who perpetuate this cycle of toxicity on the server. Furthermore, to do it regardless of public opinion. That said, the reason why you have obtained this perception of being so horribly treated has nothing to do with any of the prior problems I've just covered. Lord of the Craft is messing with Mental Health? Got a desire to quit? Great, that is entirely understandable. Is that the fault of Moderation? Does that give you the right to critique people for writing a 'lovely little paragraph or ten' for having a slightly different outlook on the situation? No it is not. It's that attitude that is generally unappealing for people.

 

It is safe to say that everyone knows the server's problems. This place is not perfect; people who cross that line should be banned. That doesn't legitimize being hyper-passive aggressive. It's really cringe to create a thread complaining about serious server issues and then go back and immediately chastise people for engaging with said feedback; that's idiotic.

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For the sake of people saying it's not only LOTC, no of course it isn't, but this is the LOTC forums, this is the place to talk about the LOTC community, we're not gonna discuss /pol/ here. Of course there are issues of bigotry all over the internet, but that is besides the point. Through my time on this server I've been exposed to genuinely horrible people, groomers, racists, homophobes, etc, and at times I have been told I'm taking things too seriously when I discuss how big of an issue this is in our community.

 

The open bigots of the server are certainly a problem, but I also think we should consider how they receive protection from average players who know how they act, but keep on their good side so they can have an in to a special community. One of the things that frustrates me to no end is hearing all of these people talk about having evidence that could get someone banned, but they don't release it because they want to be on this person's good side. Instead they sit on the mountain of evidence and wait for someone else to call the person out. 

 

To take some of the criticism from other former and current mod members a bit further, another big contributing factor to this behavior is many of these people have protection from their friends in staff positions who will actively attempt to prevent certain players from receiving punishment for their horrible behavior, or will dissuade people from bringing evidence forward against them. That's something that can only be dealt with from within each team individually, however, unfortunately. 

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My only responser: Its the internet

 

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Spoiler

 

 

God bless my Christian (Ortho)broskis who remain silent on subjects as this.

God Bless You Bless GIF - God Bless You Bless Cross GIFs

 

(I condemn racism however I'll keep my silence on the other two subjects.)

 

 

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My life hack is just don't tell people you're trans 😎👍 Has worked well for me, I just get called slurs for being Autistic 

 

(For real though, I'm surprised at how homophobic/phobic in general this server can be)

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flashback to having "you will never be a woman" said to me in response to the fact that i partake in the bending of the gender by an ol pal in lorraine

like most people who know me know im a q-word (lol @ censor) white guy what stunned me was how quick they were to try to be transphobic at me

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