Orlanth 3525 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2022 As I’m sure many people have noticed recently, (including the administration) LOTC’s server population has been in a gradual decline for several months. While there are a multitude of reasons for this, objectively one of the core reasons is excessive bans of players, especially community leaders. In the past 3 months alone we’ve seen the ban of no less than half a dozen nation leaders banned indefinitely. Spanning even further back, the number enters well into the double digits. Every one of these players was cultivating a community on LOTC, and what happens when you lose a leader is the community falls apart. I want to make it abundantly clear that I do not endorse the actions that led up to these bans, however I believe I know enough about them to say definitively that they should not be as harsh of bans as they are. LOTC’s stance has gradually shifted away from the reasonable position of banning players as punishment, to banning players to get rid of them. It is a true shame that every time someone who leads a community is sincerely told “We do not want you on your server.” To show the full scope of what exactly is going on, take into consideration that Hughbertimus, Twi, and Nectorist all have been given ‘indefinite’ bans, which are effectively permanent, for wildly different offenses. In each case I believe the players don’t deserve the length of ban they’ve been given. Without going into too much detail about what each of them is banned for, I believe that none of these players would have received such a high level of bans if they weren’t community leaders. Not only is this a double standard, but it’s also generally harmful for the server. The solution to this issue is that the administration must go back and examine every single (non-TOS) indefinite ban and determine an exact length of time for which each single player must continue serving their ban. Above is a screenshot from the new infraction system created by @itdontmatta. Each of these situations, on first infraction all the way up to third are to be handled by regular moderators. Only after three infractions are major player conduct infractions meant to be handled by Leadership, which implies Moderation Management. Indefinite bans are directly attached to administration and admin bans. Whether for virtue signaling or just bias, the administration has completely ignored this system in favor of handing out excessive bans on their own. Why is there an established standard that is not followed? 73 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oryP 957 Share Posted August 27, 2022 true 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiredom 1545 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fie 2519 Share Posted August 27, 2022 free narthok nect and hugh... 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotolofo 1413 Share Posted August 27, 2022 A lot of really good points. From a bystander's perspective it seems like one of the admins just goes "oop there they go!" and bans someone... 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
outcook 724 Share Posted August 27, 2022 ong 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonke 1873 Share Posted August 27, 2022 I remain with the opinion that it's better trying to approach the issue then banning someone right away. Banning often doesn't resolve anything, if the person who's getting punished isn't approached in a human, friendly way. Of course, with its limitations. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeusVult 563 Share Posted August 27, 2022 As someone who's been given an indefinite ban (5 months then appeal) I have to agree. Bans don't solve much, and is just a way of admins telling players "We don't want you on our server". This is a very intelligently written post! 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit_Jack 513 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Unfair? Yes. However, it's the job of the Admins to steer the server in the direction they want it to go, and that means banning people entirely. I think it's harsh, but I could see it being a needed thing in the eyes of the Admins. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplySeo 5182 Share Posted August 27, 2022 pls let hugh go 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medvekoma 1966 Share Posted August 27, 2022 A gamer who's hijacked other players' forum accounts to send death threats and obscenities to a playerbase is currently unbanned. I unironically still have the forum message I received from him. Another gamer removed from staff for PEX abuse and strolling around on the server with a banned player's alt account on their side was never in fact banned. Why are NLs held to much higher an expectation than staff, and why is it that the only staff infraction that seemingly warrants a permanent ban similar to the one handed out to NLs is the infraction of Pun/Flambo/Sky? Also, as an NL you'll be in crossfires with every single discord message and forum post stashed away for evidence for an eventual ban report, no matter how small a fraction they are of what you send a day. I've had an ongoing report against me a week into being an NL quoting an "offensive version of a transformer song lyric re-write targeting a playerbase". Usually it's the case of a community reaching for OOC tools to "get rid of" an NL. In the case of that report, I'm glad moderation saw through it and handled it appropriately. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreamingDingo 16791 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2022 indefinite bans been taking out members that'd abuse a warning system to continually do dogshit things. maybe the issue isnt the indefinite bans but the fostering of behaviors that these players are encouraging which is ultimately anti roleplay and gets people banned for disrupting the spirit of roleplay for ooc'ly scheming, intimidating and colluding in schemes to alter ic actions 36 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappor 545 Share Posted August 27, 2022 i didn't really read the post but hey guys this is one of my favorite lumineers song Spoiler also go watch my valorant clip!11 https://medal.tv/games/valorant/clips/ymJnebmfn0fX-/d1337p9bMNsJ?invite=cr-MSxHQ2IsMjQzNzQ4MTks 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlanth 3525 Author Share Posted August 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, ScreamingDingo said: indefinite bans been taking out members that'd abuse a warning system to continually do dogshit things. maybe the issue isnt the indefinite bans but the fostering of behaviors that these players are encouraging which is ultimately anti roleplay and gets people banned for disrupting the spirit of roleplay for ooc'ly scheming, intimidating and colluding in schemes to alter ic actions While in some cases this may be true, in others it's most definitely not. Indefinite bans were more recently used as a tool for OOC gain rather than used to prevent OOC. I'd each ban be considered individually, as I asked, instead of casting a blanket statement that indefinite bans are only used to prevent bad players and ooc schemers because that's simply not true. Also I'm glad you missed me. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laeonathan 3924 Share Posted August 27, 2022 The Server population has been the same as always. Unless you count the covid times as normal. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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