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Well yeah and there are people that I've seen that say that, if society didn't have such roles imposed on certain genders, they probably would identify with the gender-***** or gender-fluid movement. If men could wear dresses and makeup and this was an acceptable thing to everyone there wouldn't really be the need for that label for that particular person. But others still would want something to rally behind.

Plus we are nowhere near that, so we kinda have to exist now, deal with the reality of life rn, and eventually get to the ideal. y'know?

I can get behind that

I mean I agree that there are extremes- Should we really expect people to learn 20 new pronouns that you made up for your own gender identity? I'd be much more in favour of trying to popularize some sort of gender-neutral pronouns (and this isn't even in an issue in some languages which don't use gendered pronouns) instead of adding zir and xir and tir and kir and ***** and cuntette n ****.

But yeah I mean I don't think these are really big issues. It's personal identity and affording the same rights to everyone. Just people react really strongly for no reason.

but hey see how easy it is to like come to some sort of consensus when people are just willing to agree with a few basic things and have some good faith in the others ability to form a thought really makes you think doesn't it? hmm.