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  1. So @LotsOfMuffins when are you going to respond to everyone on your own thread?

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    2. Priceflash

      Priceflash

      @Telanir tbh bro if the whole community clearly does not like an admin i do not see how they can effectively do their job. That is just going to alienate players. It doesnt even matter if muffins technically didn’t “do” anything terrible, it’s still a terrible look for the community when theres just a half assed “I didnt really do anything wrong” response.

       

      It’s not about “right and wrong” there’s a lot more at stake than that. If the lotc admin response to admin corruption and misbehavior is “Yeah basically accept her apology and move on”, and the community response is “we want our points to be addressed and honestly muffins removed”, that shows how much you care about the opinions of lotc players. And if you dont, that shows what the actual problem with the admin team is. It doesnt matter what the “optimal” way to do things is or whatever is TECHNICALLY better, it is better to go with what the community wants – i would say this is demonstrated very clearly by old school runescape which thrived largely due to the development team basically doing what the community wants. 

       

      My personal experience with muffins has been she is very arbitrary. When i said high elves shouldnt be admins i meant it there’s something more to be said when every high elven admin is corrupt, abuses, or is straight r word. Lmfao just saying 

    3. Telanir

      Telanir

      @Priceflash You are absolutely right—it’s not about what’s optimal or efficient. LotC is a human experience at its core & that connection is what matters most. It’s not about what is technically better, or what is all the rage—it’s not about what is philosophically correct either. Some people are seeing red right now, seeing blood and in all my years on LotC—that road never ends well, it never ends in a way that is just nor ever in a way to be proud of.

       

      & my man Lumi we’re in touch now so we can talk about it in our DM’s.

    4. Priceflash

      Priceflash

      @Telanir Honestly in all my time in lotc the witch hunts have never ended bad, i have never seen one where i was like “Wow that person didnt deserve to get dragged”.  Maybe for the person getting dragged it ends badly but they are not relevant to the overall ecosystem that much, even if they like to think they are. Any other random bs fights on lotc are usually bad but i think when its a witch hunt usually its deserved

       

      Honestly there wasnt even that much damning evidence of muffins being actually more corrupt than most other lotc staff, so i see why she wasnt removed from that standpoint. But I think it shows that people are fed up with nepotism on lotc and the way it basically dictates the entire server. At the end of the day lotc staff teams and even most communities on LoTC are based on who you’re friends with, who’s ass your kissing, and to a certain extent what you’ve accomplished on lotc but I’d say that’s on the back burner unless you’re really outstanding. People are mad that it’s the case, but it’s been the case for as long as i’ve been on lotc and probably since aegis. This leads to policymaking that is not necessarily in line with the overall community because cliques rule the server. Even if you are not in one before you join the staff, you get sucked in to the system and now you’re a part of one as well. I think this definitely leads to uneven policymaking because the cliques dictating the policies are most likely not in line with the greater community.

       

      And, at the end of the day, i dont think any lotc user really thinks this should be the case, even those on staff, but i think it’s just a systemic issue that stems from this being a server with deeply entrenched factions. It’s like how on actual factions servers usually mods and helpers or whoever are often more concentrated in the top clans – those who are already staff know those people because they likely talk to them daily, so when it comes time to consider whos next in line who are they going to pick some random person or someone they know?

       

      I think if lotc addressed this issue the muffins situation would not be as bad but again all that happened was a half assed apology and no actual policy response. The lack of action is what is most disturbing – i think it would have been better to not post a response or apology at all if no action was going to be taken, because you’re preaching to an audience that doesn’t exist. Nobody wants to hear “I’m sorry” they want to see something occur

       

       

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