Bogrin

Jantus Whitewood sees the missive and shakes his fist in rage. "Those damned Blackwoods! Forever have those dogs been the enemy of the noble Whitewoods!"

Gender bender?

Responds maturely and respectfully when I disagree with his submissions, and seems capable of stringing a few sentences together coherently. Better than 99% of the server in this, +1 for me all the way.

Pablo Orcscobar is excited by this news

I need swamp to tell people that it is my swamp

More seriously though, it may be rose tinted glasses, but I have never had as much fun as I did in Asulon and Anthos

I can almost taste the lag

I would like to move for no explosive arrows as the mods are duping them also OP

Just now, TheDevilsMC said:

you respond to it through RP on the server

((Yes but how would you know the code to respond? How would you know the rules?))

((Is this information public? Can we respond to it?))

I do not find you to have particularly good people skills, and stubbornness is the mark of a poor GM. Moreover your argumentative nature will lead that stubbornness to perhaps only worsen situations that would need delicate handling. This is essentially just echoing Sythan, but Sythan made some very good points. My personal opinion is a -1.

2 minutes ago, Cracker said:

 

Horen I existed roughly 1500 years ago in roleplay; it is unfeasible for all of his progeny to be royal, given that they would number in the hundreds of thousands by this period, when considering for bastards and cadet branches that would accrue over time. A similiar case IRL would be how much of modern Europe has some ancestral link to Charlemagne due to the centuries of intermingling.

 

Canonism believes that the Highlander and Heartlander peoples were chosen by the Creator to serve as prophets of the faith and champions of monotheism upon lesser races. While they don't comprise of a direct recordable lineage as say Abraham and the Jews, they still serve as 'nations' that considering peoples outside of these nations as, in lack of a better word, gentiles. 

The word implies that it is one people a tribe if you will. With Abraham and the Jews, that is how it was. With King Horen, that is not at all the case. Such a loose collection as Charlemagne and his descendents in Europe is, even as is evident in that example, hardly even a connection. It seems you are just describing non-humans at that point. Is gentile a word for non-humans? Why involve it at all if so. 

2 minutes ago, TheAmazingPheonix said:

Horen wasn't a king. He was the leader of the humans, like Krug was to the Orcs, Uruguan to the Dwarfs and Malin to the elves. You might be confused with House Horen which, I believe, claims to be the direct male line of the prophet. By no means does that mean that every human is royalty.

Initially known as the Temple of the Faith, the Church as it is today was formed by King Horen I after he was contacted by the Aenguls and granted the prophecy of his line and the Scroll of Virtue.

I read that to mean that Horen was indeed a king.

Moreover, since they are not of the same family/race/clan, like Abraham and the Jews, how does that make non-Canonists gentiles? There is no bloodline involvement.

6 minutes ago, TheAmazingPheonix said:

Just look at Cracker's explanation for the usage of the word.

He was incorrect, I responded but all the OOC posts were deleted. As far as I know, the followers of the Church of the Canon are not the descendents of King Horen I, otherwise they would be royal

To further the discussion of gentiles I foolishly began in Lucien III's RP thread.

To Summarize:

I believe gentiles is an inaccurate term to use. Putting aside how it is undoubtedly injecting real history into LoTC, it is not applicable to the situation of the Church of Canon. They are not comparable to Abraham, or the Jews of Judea.

While I am opposed to how the Church of Canon ignores LoTC lore in general, I beg of you to at least use more reasonable terms (such as pagan).

((So to my understanding, the previous book posted is not yet public, but this is, correct?))

post was too long, didn't read

1 hour ago, HappyShackles said:

A response is penned to the ex-Caliph from Ard'Ghorrock,

 

Dear Sheep Fucker

 

Each time that I read a word you have written, my head aches in agony. You are a thorn in my ass, a ridiculous snake. Toothless and stupid. You are not clever or powerful. At times I often have my stable boy, whose brain is damaged severely from a mule's kick, decipher your idiotic ramblings.

 

I enjoy every moment that you suffer, for you are a heartless man who knows only cowardice and hate. I have no opinion to offer on your petty squabbles with your fellow Qalasheen, but the wife of your son is mine, Ard'Ghorrock is mine, and soon your head will be mine. I will carve through Vandoria, ripping your lands to shred so that never again may you threaten the sanctity of this world by sending people to die who have no vested interested in your cowardly ramblings, like an injured dog who barks and snaps but never bites.

 

Threatening Nafis with the death of his child may do a great deal to effect the man, but you are an idiot to believe that I would let Nafis make any sort of trade with sodomites or sheep fuckers such as yourself.

 

Of course, your folk who choose not to fight, to cast off your tiny, arbitrary leadership, they will know peace. As for you...

 

Your life will be hell, Faiz Kharadeen, till the day you die.

 

Prince Charles of Furnestock

Holy Knight of the Ashen Urn

 

 

 

 

If a smelly peasant were to ever read the missive (which he very likely would not), he would not find the manner in which Charles communicates to be not particularly fitting of a so called "Holy Knight." It would perhaps be more akin to something the smelly peasant himself were to write, if he were struck by a sudden bout of aggressive arrogance.

A tall and burly man, with the look of a lumberjack about him, strokes his beard in thought. "Perhaps it is worth a look"

Well written and logical, with both IC and OOC benefits to RP. Huge support from me.

((Why is an archbishop a trained fighter?))

Some smelly peasants hear the news. "Let her die" they say, returning to their work.

10 hours ago, AGiantPie said:

Can it? Please cite historical examples of where impact explosives were used, particularly ones where cannons are not also simultaneously in use. Also, "A quick google search" is not research, my friend. 

 

Regardless, a safe impact explosive is not an easy thing to create (Neither is a cannon tbf, but its not like a cannon is super duper hard and impact explosives are easy peasy), and an impact explosive that can travel through the air attached to an arrow but not explode until it hits the ground or a target is even harder. Explosive weapons such as black powder grenades (Not impact explosives though!) and incendiary weapons like greek fire are historical, but so are cannons and guns. You also seem to be mistaken on what "fire arrows" actually were. They used explosives to propel themselves (they were basically arrows with rockets on the back), but they were not impact explosives like our explosive arrows are. Also, they had to be fired from an actual "siege" machine, they could not be delivered via any hand held bow. (Well I suppose they COULD but then they would just be normal arrows, the rocket part is irrelevant if it is being fired via a bow). The explosive arrows we have on the server currently are basically handheld RPGs that can be fired with the same weapon that fires every other kind of arrow... though I suppose the name 'APG' is better, given that they are propelled by an arrow.

 

Regardless, the idea that we can make advanced impact grenades but are incapable of manufacturing a weapon that uses explosives as propellant is ludicrously stupid to me, especially since the only reason for why we can't is that the LMs think cannons are outside our "theme." Dumb as **** tbh.

Allow me to cite an example

" 1221, the Thundercrash Bombs, used by the Jin invaders during the attack of Qizhou, which were exploding grenades filled with black powder rather than incendiary bombs filled with molten material, and lastly in 1232 when the Jin repelled the Mongolians in the battle of Kai-keng. "

(yes it says grenades but they were talking of fire arrows, they are merely using a different term to describe it) They were cast iron or bamboo tubes packed with black powder.

the defenders had a "thunder-crash bomb" which "consisted of gunpowder put into an iron container ... then when the fuse was lit (and the projectile shot off) there was a great explosion the noise whereof was like thunder

They were used in the exact same manner as the explosive arrows on LoTC. In addition to this they were thrown. You seem to have done a quick google yourself and labeled them all early forms of rockets. That is not accurate. I will admit that these were not impact explosives, but they seem to have had the same effect regardless. 

Despite this, I am sure you will not be convinced. I tire of this circular debate, when it seems neither will convince the other and neither of our assertions will change anything about the lore itself. All I advise you to do is take a skeptical look at the lore which the Orenians themselves frequently use, such as the Church of the Canon, before casting a possibly biased eye on the Dwarves. I will not get into any more arguments on this thread.

A smelly peasant picks his nose while sitting beside his hearth. He does not know of the death of Clavicus, nor will he ever, but if he did, he would think it a fitting end to a storied man. That, or he wouldn't grasp the concept in the slightest.

A large group of rowdy peasants gather outside the courthouse, furious at the decision. "You ploughin' nobles don't give a shite about us commoners!" They cry, waving their unwashed limbs and hoisting pitchforks.

7 minutes ago, AGiantPie said:

Strapping a bomb onto an arrow (especially if it is an impact bomb) will make firing the arrow impossible. Strapping a bomb to an arrow and having it be an effective military device is not easy and simple. The idea that ranged impact explosives (basically RPGs via arrow delivery) are ok and readily available whereas cannons are absolutely not permitted via tech lock is really quite stupid to me. 

 

"Simple bombs" aren't very simple. Making an impact bomb is very complicated (If a cannon is complicated then an impact bomb is complicated too) - especially if you want your impact bomb to only explode when it hits the enemy and not when it hits you. And, as I mentioned above, you can't just strap something heavy and not very aerodynamic onto the end of an arrow and expect it to be an effective weapon.

I am sorry but you are simply incorrect about bombs; history can easily disprove you, especially ancient Chinese history. I agree that the arrows are less aerodynamic, but I do not think they are for sniping. You seem to be making assertions without having done the research. Even a quick google will find that it is feasible. Perhaps even just browse the "fire arrow" wikipedia page. It covers all sorts of "fire arrows" including explosive ones.