blackhand7

MC Name: blackhand7

Character's Name: Tantalus

Character's Age: 102

Character's Race:

         Dark Elf

What magic(s) will you be learning?

         Fire Evocation

Teacher's MC Name:

         Book learning - Fire dungeon

Teacher's RP Name:

         Book learning - Fire dungeon

Do you have a magic(s) you are dropping due to this app? If so, link it:

         Nope

Do you agree to keep Story updated on the status of your magic app?:

         Yes

Are you aware that if this magic is undergoing an activity trial and fails said trial, that you will lose the magic? And that if it is apart of the Lore Games, it might drastically change soon?:

         Yes

Have you applied for this magic on this character before, and had it denied? If so, link the app:

         No

Thank you, +1!

Tantalus would look on in horror as the beast swallowed Daylor mid-air, Tantalus’ armored helmet hiding the shock and loss on his face as he watched it happen. He’d trudge along silently with the rest of the party as they brought Daylor’s killer’s corpse back to Renelia, thinking to himself, “Oh spirits, what an awful way to go... what a horrible, horrible way to to go.”

11 minutes ago, Quavinir_Twiceborn said:

I feel that it would be best to have a publicly viewable concrete proposal first

+1

3 minutes ago, ARCHITECUS said:

 

 

But I don’t see how its possible to have it still be a musket if it hurts people like a crossbow without drastically bending the laws of physics, not to mention the headaches that that will cause conceptually. And, again, like Qaz, said, we should try to ground things in reality.

4 minutes ago, Ciaran said:

Don’t forget, the ball hits the target and potentially punches through, creating a larger hole on the opposite end of the object it hit. This is entirely dependent on the kind of protection the user was wearing, but the possibility is there.

Also, the damage would change depending on what material the projectiles are made out of in LotC.

 

Right, but, still, again, the reason why the crossbow bolt punches through is because it has a pointy bit on the top, and that’s how it hurts the target. The bullet hurts the target solely due to how fast it moves, which causes different kinds of wounds. The way each weapon does damage is fundamentally different, and I don’t really see how its possible to equate them. 

Just now, Taketheshot said:

This has been said about 30 times in this thread at least, these are NOT historical firearms, they will be THE SAME as crossbows. 

But how will this work? A crossbow hurts people by having a pointy bit at the end of its bolt, a musket by the speed at which the ball hits their target causing a shockwave. They’re fundamentally different weapons in terms of how they harm their target.

7 minutes ago, argonian said:

Your own video showed that you’re only going to be deflecting crossbow bolts if you’re outside of #s distance. So no, your plate-armour is not deflecting a crossbow bolt in CRP, and you’re not gonna have the reaction speed to dodge one once it’s been fired either. So the “no dodging/blocking” issue applies to them just as much.

My video never showed crossbows, nor bows, penetrating plate Armour. They hit their targets by aiming around the plate, and going for the exposed parts. In fact, it actually shows them bouncing off of the armor at 20 yards.

1 minute ago, argonian said:

You can’t dodge or block a crossbow bolt either. All you can hope is that your armour stops it, which it won’t unless the guy’s literally trying to snipe you from a mile away. Same goes for bows too really, just with a shorter distance(but still within any distance you’re actually gonna be CRPing with anyone)

For starters, yes, plate armour, or at the very least a shield, can deflect arrows and bolts fired from crossbows and bows on the lower end of the spectrum relatively easily. And, this is also kind of in response to your second point, bullets do more damage than arrows. Your argument here is the equivalent (although a bit exagerated) of saying that getting hit by a high-speed train and getting stabbed by a knife are the same, because you’ll end up dying either way. The danger with guns is that they are vastly more powerful than bows or crossbows, and can kill you far quicker than a bow and arrow can. 

1 minute ago, Ciaran said:

 

As someone who practices archery, I’d just like to point out that the people using those bows are not only not doing a full draw, but they are using improper techniques for doing so. I don’t recall the last time I saw someone use four fingers to draw an arrow. On top of this, they're using the wrong type of arrowhead (not ones designed for penetrating armor, which were used), and bows with draw weights that are most likely between 70 to 160 pounds lighter than historical war bows.

Also that plate of armor looks to be stamped steel made out of modern rolled steel, which is uniform and does not have its thickness distributed so the most is at the front and the thinnest at the sides.

This is true, and maybe the video was not the best all-encompasing model, but I’d say the point as to their relative power still stands. Additionally, it vastly outperformed the crossbow, which I believe, in my limited knowledge, was used correctly. Even looking at the real world, there is a reason as to why muskets and firearms replaced crossbows, which is because they are simply better at killing people and deal more damage, because they hurt people not with a pointy edge, but through the sheer speed in which the bullet rams into people.

2 minutes ago, argonian said:

There are a hell of a lot more steps to firing a matchlock than pointing and shooting lmao

My point here is not that it isn’t an intricate or complex process, but that it’ll be repetitive. Theres no dodging and blocking, tumbling on the floor, etc... Its just doing the same motions again and again every crp until one person gets higher roles.

3 minutes ago, argonian said:

If either hits you in a vital, you’re probably dead unless some mage saves you. I guess a non-magical doctor would have an easier time tearing a crossbow bolt out of you than digging up a bullet, but that’s about it for how it affects lethality. Untreated, you die from both so it doesn’t make a different. 

But the question of how long it will take to kill you is important. A musket does far more damage, and can penetrate plate  a lot more effectively, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeGtPxLwkuk) as opposed to a bow or crossbow. Additionaly, unless they pierce a vital organ, arrows and bolts generally don’t kill on impact, because most of the damage they do is not derived from their speed, but from their pointy bit. A gun, on the other hand, derives its damage from its speed causing a shockwave in your body, which makes it far more deadly, regardless of where it hits.

1 minute ago, Taketheshot said:

We arent going to have AK 47s or guns, we are talking early tech low scale matchlock/flintlock weapons of which would be EXACTLY the same as a crossbow in terms of damage if not less. 

This video is a good showcase as to their relative powers. As you can see, the matchlock rifle (Not even a flintlock one) is far more effective than the crossbow or bow

I’d say no, for 2 main reasons.

Firstly, gun crp would be awful. It would boil down to emoting pointing, shooting, and then firing, rolling to see the result, and then doing that over and over again. Guns, especially of the flintlock variety that seems to be the most popular proposal right now, are far more powerful and deadly than either bows or crossbows. The common response to this from the pro-gun crowd is that we’ll just nerf them to be as powerful as crossbows, but I don’t really think that this is an adequate solution. For starters, it breaks immersion and makes no logical sense, because lead balls sent at breakneck speeds out of a barrell towards a target, (or in the case of a blunderbuss/shotgun dozens of them), would deal far more damage than a simple arrow fired from a bow, and it would be very hard to properly emote the damage caused by it without either making it ridiculously good or just subtracting from the weapon entirely. Second-off, the term crossbow is very vague, and can refer from anything to a very heavy and powerful siege crossbow to the lighter, less powerful versions, and I’d feel it would need to be clarified.

Secondly, I feel as big a thematic change as adding guns needs far more support (just going off of this poll) then it currently has. The main argument in favor of guns, as it currently stands, is to let people rp how they want and give them a theme that suits their purposes (That, and the time argument, which, IMO, should not be relevant. Its a fantasy medieval server, and we should not have cars and ak-47s a year from now, we should implement changes that fit with the theme/wants of the server and playerbase). But the fact of the matter is, that adding guns would bring about a huge thematic change to lotc, as almost everyone and their mothers would want to get their hands on them. If more than half of the server is not in favor of it, they should not be forced into complying with such a major shift as implementing guns would cause just because of a minority/slightly bigger other half. 

Name: Ser Bernard the Brave

Discord: MagicTurtle#9888

Race: Human

Timezone: EST

Why are you willing to fight an olog one on one: ICLY to prove my strenght as a warrior, OOCLY to die in a cool way.

What time Sunday, April 4^th works best for you? I’m free basically the whole day.

Tantalus stands over the dying ‘ker, his skills in the arts of healing failing him for the first time in his life. His one good eye shed a silent tear for Dachia, for, though he did not know him well, the little time he had spent with him had left a big impact on his life.

+1, can’t wait to see blinking lore as well

 I hope selfishly you’ll succumb to your addiction and come back to LOTC, but if you don’t (and even if you do) it was a pleasure playing with you and I’ll cherish the memories of roleplaying with you for a very long time. And now, for old times sake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642186138244612113/687832374125658132/c.mp4

A white dove, after travelling to the continent of Athera for months, landed at Tantalus’ feet as he sat around a campfire, bearing the news. He picked up the note and read it, his face growing cold and unreadable as his eyes scanned the page and learned of what had happened. His heart beat fast as he rose to his feet, not saying a word to his fellows, and he walked silently into the deep depths of the ancient city of Ker’nor.

He wandered aimlessly through the dark caverns, still in shock as to what had happened, until he reached his destination: a small house carved into the ancient rock walls of the city into which no man or elf had entered since its abandonment when Athera fell. He closed the ancient door behind him, locking it, and stood in the small house for a second, still stone-faced, until he broke. With a screaming yell of remorse, rage, and pain he began to punch the stone walls of the house with all his might, his knuckles growing bruised, then bloodied, then breaking with loud sickening cracks as he angrily hit the unbreakable stone walls, his screams only being heard by the silent city that surrounded him. Eventually the pain became to much, and he fell to his knees and curled up in a ball in the corner of the house, crying like a baby until even that became to much exertion, his sobs fading into sad and defeated whimpers as he lay there on the cold stone floor.

Tantalus returned to the campfire the next morning, his hands bound in fresh bandages, his face cleaned from his tears and returned to its unreadable state as he quietly retook his place at the campfire and sat there silently, staring into its flames and thinking unknown thoughts to himself.

Tantalus signs the document, a proud smile on his face. “To the bright future  of the South!” he said, to no one in particular.

15 hours ago, sophiaa said:

The Duchess of Morsgrad comforts a young woman who had escaped from the attack on the merchant’s caravan, asking her once more to repeat the story of such a tragic event. She dabs her tears with a handkerchief and waves her servant girl over for another round of tea and honey.