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No, sorry, but no, this might have been correct in the 90's when the scientific community really tried to reach out by trying to use lay terms. The very existence of scientific models are based upon theories (know the model for forecasting weathers? yep, based on theories in meteorology :P) Evolution is a theory under the current framework, would really appreciate it if no more misinformation get sent out (ahem, like obsolete terms such as micro+macro evolution). @Oseric & others I've given up on derick ages ago, seems like a really young person that haven't learned some aspects of a lot of things, especially the topic at hand. We might hopefully have a good debate in a few years. @Korvic sounds like your dad is trying to explain his own version of old earth creationism (unless you are explaining it wrong and you are trying to explain theistic evolution). In either cases, doesn't sounds like he's rejecting evolution. We really need a theistic evolution option for selection :V @abiogenesis This topic is about evolution and creationism, not abiogenesis vs creationism (keep drifting and we might end up with 12 step guide of superstitions vs 5 steps on how to start your own mormon religion and your private harem). Although it'll take science a few more decades to work out and get some actual data on panspermia as well as observable reactions of cyanogen/similar inorgranic > organic groups that could become the first ancestor. Even then, certain religious groups will try to power grab/seek attention to their irrelevance while the rest of them will just go meh and enjoy the benefits while worshiping whatever that they worship along with the rest of the population. @Cassius This topic gets open up alot, that's why a lot of forums bans politic/religion/science (yes, proper science) talk. Although, exposing impressionable minds to some proper science (you really have to read some of the books they are using to teach in parts of the US and some private/religious schools in other parts of the world to fully appreciate this statement) can't really hurt. The OP might have been curious as to others' view, although it could've been a troll just hoping for a huge flamewar which thankfully won't happen.

((I would like some screenshots of armaluna burning if possible))

((nope, I think neko's complete fine with it ;) But from the look of it, poor coaster))

Feb, oblivious to the events on the surface of ArmaLuna, continues the tunnel that was started before everyone came to visit.

Which have absolutely no place in science, whatever religion it might be, "prove" all you want in theology and argue until zombie jesus comes or FSM flings those creationists into the sun. As long as religion stays where it belongs and stop trying to interfere and undermine western science like it did for the last two millennium. Unfortunately, that's exactly what creationists are trying to do just so they have more influence in education and science (both place where they should never, ever have power in again). So no, it's not about your faith or religion, it's about science and power hungry zealots trying to matter in the practical world where they are not needed nor wanted. @cloakanddagger look up attenborough, I think I know what you are trying to say, he might have said it more elegantly @campor that's why I pulled the whole chinese mythos thing on him, a taste of his own medicine so to speak. I'd pray and praise the lord savior that's jade emperor, but I'd probably offend actual believer with my half ass praying :V

It's not about refusing to think about (I can't believe you actually said this with the nonsense you've been spewing), it's you either can't deliver a proper argument/statement or you have absolutely no understanding what this creationism vs evolution shenanigans is about in the first place. Thus far, nothing you've provided can even be admitted as evidence in science (except social science, you can argue til you are blue in that category since creationism would serve as a pretty good subject of inquiry). From your statement, it's very obvious that you know next to nothing about the entirety of the debate or how a simple debate goes. Stop trying to pull a non sequitur, ad hominem and your train of logical pitfalls and give me some evidence instead. Nothing you've said so far has any backing, each time that your point is questioned, you go on the "attack" (it's more like self-mutilation at this point). This latest reply of yours just further emphasize what I've said previously, for christian creationism and many of its proponents, logical fallacy rule supreme. You've done nothing to disprove this statement thus far, please address the questions in regards to your rant (it's not an argument or debate when you don't counter or even acknowledge a clear question against one of your point), but from the look of it, it won't matter. Before someone else put a Derick here, I'll outline some basic information about this topic and why scientists have issues with it. Vast majority of christian creationisms (from young-earth to old-earth and those in between): 1) maintains that their god made each and every living thing in existence, with limited or no change (depends on the christian group) 2) their primary source of "proof" (their words, not mine) is a book some group wrote nearly two millennium ago 3) claims to be part of science 4) is primarily propped up by logical fallacies to which vast majority of scientists and different religious group have issue with 1) religion have no practical use or application in science 2) science requires proper evidences, something with a questionable motive and source does not count as such 3) studying an unchanging book with no secondary support is NOT science, the latest attempt of religion hindering science 4) logic and reason is a tenet of science, which creationism fails to follow Some logical statements against christian creationism 1) creationism is not a science, stop claiming it as such, "intelligent design" is pretty much the same monkey in a different suit (with few, few, few exceptions, which I've yet to see anyone pointed out) 2) Theistic evolution is acceptable/imbedded in most religions (including christianity), evolution does not interferes with their belief of a greater power 3) christian creationism have proven to serve no practical purpose aside from ego-stroking for their respective groups. On the other hand, evolution as part of science have proved to be practical and highly beneficial to humanity as a whole in the form of medical advancements and agricultural practices. Modern science as a direct result of the theory saved more lives and increased the quality of living more than creationists and their belief ever could. 4) christian creationism is a frog-in-the-well theological view that disregard science, other cultures and religions with no basis aside from their hubris Some logical statements against evolution 1) The fossil record should not be used as a primary reference since it is incomplete 2) certain exceptions in nature runs counter to certain aspect of the theory 3) evolution still does not have the "first" ancestor, until it's theoretical acceptable or properly addressed, evolution would remain a flawed theory

Are you aware of the how fossils are formed in the first place? In what world did we discover these abundance of fossils that have formed over the last 50 years? Please do some basic homework before before you make similar statements again. I gave a TL;DR answer in my last reply to directly address your qualms about it, if you don't understand it or simply missed it, go back, read it again, and if you still don't understand it or learn about it in school yet (or learn it in the first place, I know some form of education don't teach anything about it and only vague reference it), I don't mind giving further explanation. A proper debate (this term have often been used since the islamic scientific golden age, the greeks and roman prefer a discussion since popularity mattered to them in an argument) can only take place if A) Illogical fallacies are removed (unless it's a philosophy debate, that's why they never seem to end) B) A proper understanding of the topic and presentation of evidence to support a stance C) A well thought out, clear reply, with no ambiguity, is used to counter any given point and present statement(s) to emphasize and further one's own stance. Unfortunately for this debate, creationism relied on illogical fallacies to have a foothold in the first place. The supporters of it thus far continued to use it as a mean of evidence. ViperX was the only one that did some homework into understanding the topic, but the evidences he provided have mostly came from the category of A), although it seems he's a bit confused about creationism and theistic evolution (a nugget of his references are in fact made to support theistic evolution, not creationism). In fact, he was the only one that truly to attempted C) With few exceptions, the topic at hand have been some on the evolution side presenting a debate while the majority on the creationist side continues to express their opinions with little to no regard about the history, the starting of creationism as well as past and present stand of the various factions of creationism, let alone the topic at hand where theology encroach on the domain of science. The theistic evolution/duo-support crowd have presented some good points, but since they support both, it's splitting hairs in comparison to the two very different views in regard to the topic.

It's completely on topic, it's the one main staple in the vast majority of creationist theories. There are about only a handful (I can only count two to my memory) creationists theory that did actual research (or actual work for that matter) with clear presentation, unfortunately for them, the pro-creationist community did more damage to them because they DID NOT cite the bible as source than the scientific community ever could. So indulge me in telling me how disputing the source of a given theory is off topic when the source is the most cited, referenced and relied upon point of data (no matter how little) does not in fact relate to the main topic. If the source is questionable, how can the result be trusted? @Derick, go through the history of the various groups of christians trying to drag creationism into science, no, really, not just google this, but pastor say these and wikipedia that, really follow the trail, from the reformation all the way to the courts. Although their positions changed somewhat depending on the prevailing wind of their time, many of the creationist theories and the people behind them have relied on logical fallacies as their basis (btw, is there another phrase for logical fallacies? I like the term, but I hate using it repeatedly on the same group of people). I still giggle a bit when I recall a group of them tried to use the 2nd law of thermodynamics to discredit evolution, I believe facepalms were made for such moments. If you think what I said about logic is that's an insult, then you must have a different definition of the word than many of the trusted dictionaries. A person can still be logical and believe in creationism, but that person would be the the very few that can (properly) claim to be a creationist scientists unlike the many theologians trying to destroy proper science with some old books. You can be the ChocoBananaVoodoo Highpriest as well if you want, as long as you don't try to claim something as science when it clearly does not meet the minimum as such. And that's the primary problem scientists have with all this creationism non-sense. If you believe it in your religion, that's your thing and you've a right to that as well as preaching to the choir (I guess a little literally xD). Just don't expect the same "yes man" attitude in the scientific community where proper work with evidence and repeatable results are more highly valued than something of unknown origin with questionable agendas. As for fossils, even when your statement boggles my mind. I'm assuming (correct me if I'm wrong) you are asking why aren't there MORE fossils. And my reply would be "because the world keep using them as resources unless it's kept from doing so". @alpha I've gone through this a few times, can say I'm an old hand at it ;) Although it's usually a lot more rambunctious until someone storms off calling me or one of the non-creationists as the spawn of the devil or some such nonsense. Even then, most people in the discussion would agree, some of which are devoted christians, that modern day creationist theories are not worth supporting since it's more of in the realm of theology (and attention-seeking) than that of science (unless it's social science of course :P). And (I didn't know this until I was told the first time!) many different religions fully accepts evolution as part of their theology. The trinity of Judaism-Christian-Islam have many different groups and sects that see evolution as proof of their god's work (aka theistic evolution) while other cultures like Hinduism sees evolution as a mere continuation of their existence (their version is a lot more interesting tbh)

I will certainly do so once they decided on the new location! Thanks for the reply, makes my life so much easier :3 -runs off to design more stuff for the lore-

You honestly don't see the contradiction of what you just said? Yu controlled the floods, he didn't survive it, he didn't build an ark, a boat, a floating fortress, etc.. to ride it out, none of the recorded folklore even MENTION anything similar to it. What was passed down was he saved his people during his reign when the floods came, and that he was a good king worthy of Shung. Additionally, the chinese would not have fit the tale concerning "the city and its tower" as they did not migrate west during this time period as they settled the regions further to the south and east after the flood. Do you not know what a historic fiction is? It's a made-up story set in a real historic event. Where did I say the bible is COMPLETELY false? The term implies that the setting is factual while the a fictitious tale is told. Please stop using biased eyes to view clear statements, this is not fox news. I specifically said the chinese record, the bible and sedimentary record ALL agree on the massive flood, what I did say was false was yahweh destroying all of his creation with flood to start anew. If that were to be true, there would have been no new records about anything for a period of time immediately after the flood. Additionally, the proto-mongols had their own folklore about their tribes' struggle from before, during and after the flood. This is an unbroken continuation of their existence from before the big reset button was pressed, which can't be right because the christian god wiped out everything. Unsurprisingly enough, some of these same folklore can still be heard as legends and myths in Mongolia today. As for the bible haven't been "proven" wrong historically, way to pull an ad ignorantiam. Very typical, really, it has been the clutch of creationists since the 16th century, way to continue the tradition! Well, I will indulge you for a bit. Just look at your own reply. No matter how clear one's statement is, it will always be twisted into something else. And then, with the plentiful help of logical fallacies, the argument would turn into a game of "but the bible says so and you can't prove otherwise" or "everything the bible is true, so you must be lying". Most scholars from different cultures have already given up on trying to discuss theology with christians early on in their history (koreans being the sole exception) as the christians were more interested in taking over their land and resources anyways. Now allow me to return the same trick on you, when have the chinese mythos been proven wrong? It specifically said that a great demon tried to destroy all of creation! Wait, creation wasn't destroyed, way to go jade emperor! Even better, the mythos continued uninterrupted, they even have guan yu as the current successor of the heavenly kingdom! Since the mythos can't be proven wrong, the demon must have been yahweh, there were no one else that tried to destroy all of creation! Why that evil bastard! Creationism is merely a religious tool that certain groups of christians are using to gain further influence than what they currently have. It is not science, it does not follow logic nor reason, it doesn't make a difference in any sort of scientific endeavour, other scientists from other cultures couldn't care less. The only reason creationism is even discussed in academia right now is because scientists want to keep the power-hungry theologians at bay. Evolution is a scientific theory, it is still going thru the rigors of the scientific method, but it doesn't mean that can't be wrong and it's absolutely fine if it is. But at its core, it's still more logical, reasonable and probable than "proofs" that have relied on logical fallacies to stay afloat for the last 4-5 centuries about a source from about two millennium ago. As for aliens (inorganic), yes! Although this has to do more with abiogenesis than the topic at hand, it's a most likely source of life. Astrobiology have theorized that the plentiful cyanogen (inorganic) on an asteroid, upon interaction with hydrogen and h2o (both are also inorganic), can produce organic cyano groups. This would mean that life didn't have to rely on a random cocktail for life to emerge. As such, the arguments against it via parallel lineage and a different form of DNA due to randomization would become totally ineffective! TL;DR, only logical fallacies can protect the bible as the truth. Creationism should not even be compared to evolution since one belongs to theology while the other belongs to science.

Welp, since I'm stuck on RP/VA/Event proposal, I might as well wade into this mess again. Like most logical people, I'm on the side of evolution. But I won't get into the science just yet, hell, I'll even save that for last! Problem 1) creationist maintains the bible is infallible and inerrant, that the christian god is the creator of all. Well, the very existence of the chinese people and their culture shows that the bible is merely a book of historic fiction with creation mythos thrown in. The great flood involving Noah and his ark. The bible says god was displeased with his creations, and that he flooded the world to start anew. Creationists peg this flood to ~second millennium b.c.e, (although some have pointed to the seventh, it doesn't matter in either case). First, let's get some agreed upon facts out. 1) The completed bible was written around 1 b.c.e 2) The oral bible (old testament) can be pegged at between 1400-1000 b.c.e 3) The bible had several revisions before becoming the first "completed edition" No objections with this, correct? Here comes the fun part, specifically using the chinese since their records are the most intact outside the influence of the middle east. 1) Sima Qian, a notable historian of Han, collected the folklores and oral traditions of the then unified land and compiled it into a book called the Shiji around 1 b.c.e 2) Chinese mythos and oral traditions can be traced to 12000-10000 b.c.e (this alone would already invalidate the young earth creationist bullcrap, but lets assume otherwise) 3) The exploits of Yu the Great (where monuments dedicated to him still stands), conqueror of floods, were well known even before the Shiji, which took place in the second millennium b.c.e. 4) This one will take a little story telling, so bear with me. In the chinese mythos, the age of the world since the being of the beginning came to be was over 300 million years. The jade emperor eventually took over as the successor around 12,000 b.c.e. as the ruler of the three planes. During his reign, a great demon, intending to destroy all of creation, trained for millenniums before attacking the heavenly kingom. As the two side fought, famine and floods were destroying the plane of men. Without the direct help of heaven, the men worked together to control and survive the floodings until the jade emperor finally managed to defeat the demon. "What does this have to do with the bible?!" Well, you see, we just need to follow the geological record and the age of the writings! In both the bible and chinese records, the time line for the floods matches each other as well as the geological record identified from sediment samples. If the christian god flooded the world to start anew with Noah in the second millennium b.c.e Yu the Great must have been an immortal, a god or the greatest con artist in history. He was credited with successfully controlled the floods during his reign, his kingdom was even thriving for that matter. The flooding of the world would've surely killed off the chinese as well as all other cultures (the proto-mongols must have snuck onto Noah's ark with the yaks!), the fact that they survived and thrived means that the bible was retelling a great event with a lot of embellishment to make it a best seller. Unless of course, the chinese were really imaginary lying devils, how dare they try to fool us by pretending to be mortals! If the biblical flood happened in the seventh millennium, how did the "river people" survive to leave an oral tradition of great floods prior to Yu as well as the mythos? Maybe the christian god was really the great devil that tried to destroy all of creation and the jade emperor had to put down to save the chinese. *dun dun dun* TL;DR - The chinese survived the supposed flood that destroyed the world, contradictory to the christian theology that the world was start anew with Noah and his ark. Problem 2) creationism is merely another attempt in a longstanding tradition to extol the christian theology With so many creation mythos around the planet, the creationists are somehow convinced that they (and their bible) are right and everyone else is wrong. With the same reasoning, every non-christian could claim that the christians are liars and that their version is false. I would sooner believe the hindu creation myth than to believe in something that defies reason and logic which was brutally forced onto others. But let's skip that since it would be a logical fallacy at the level of some of the most prominent creationists out there at this time. Instead, let's look at the history of christian theology and how it worked tirelessly to undermine the work of men to preserve their influence. I'd dare say this would qualifies as ad hominem on a massive scale! Let us recall the christian flat earth proponents. For those not familiar with their history, they, with the support of the church, harassed, prosecuted and muffled the voice of reason and empirical science. This can be seen in the writing of Lactantius (one of the many non-scientific early christians), which demeans his comtemporary scholars and past great philosophers as such as Pythagoras, Parmenides, Eratosthenes, etc... for proposing and maintaining that the earth was round. After centuries of trying to destroy the spherical world model, the christian establishment eventually lost after the translation of the works of Ptolemy. This did not stop them from trying to stomp out additional works that would further undermine the christian theology as they (the christian authorities, being the church and others) worked tireless to eradicate the emerging model of heliocentrism. Galileo, Copernicus and many others astronomers were imprisoned, exiled, excommunicated, sometime even executed for their works. The geocentralists (who has the support of some scriptures) were afraid of losing further influence by having the christian theology proven wrong again, this time by the heliocentralists (who has the support of massive amount of meticulous observations and calculations). It took two centuries before heliocentrism took hold as the accepted model before modern science caused it to become obsolete. To note, many of the heliocentralists and later spherical world proponents were christians. However, they would rather follow the path of reason and logic instead of the increasingly questionable words of some thin book and those who holds it as the absolute truth. In addition, the main christian body would later adopt the newer models and claims it as their own. Defeated, but never deterred, for they have the scriptures to support them so they must be right, the theologians went on to suppress the next item that would diminish their theology, the natural sciences. I'd assume everyone would know about the details, so I won't go into how creationists tried to exert their influence which caused the reformation, baconism and darwism. TL;DR - Christian theologians have a history of being proven wrong for centuries as they rely on scriptures instead of actual evidence-based work. Additionally, they have proven to act with malicious intents to anyone who attempted to undermine their theology and then turn around and claim the work as theirs when change is inevitable. Problem 3) Modern creationists are not interested in science, only theology Most modern christian creationist does not use empirical data to support their views yet claim they are "scientific" with highly selective "proof" (science use evidence, gotta love their proof though!) and logical fallacies to support their cases. They are more interested in garnering media spotlight as opposed to actual discussion and research. The few that did follow the scientific method and presented their research (from the fossil record) in a peer-review-able which hypothesized the old-earth creationist theory (with alternative hypothesis) were criticized by the majority of creationists of being traitors and blasphemers (that's right folks, if you do science properly, you can't be a christian according to these folks). The scientific community was lukewarm to the research, but it was acceptable as a proposed theory since it uses readily agreed upon data, just different interpretation of it. TL;DR - Most modern creationists don't care for science, they believe they are correct, therefore they must be correct. The few actual creationist scientists that effectively used the fossil record as evidence to support the idea of creationism have been effective shot down by the other creationists. Problem 4) Definition of Macro-Micro evolution. The two terms were coined by some russian scientists back in the early 20th century. They were not common terms often used within the scientific community as they were simply a difference of time scale, not a difference of mechanism. It was not until "modern" creationists revive the terms in order to move the burden of proof (well, for science, it's more like evidence, it isn't math :3) required beyond the currently available data. As such, creationists would demand proof of macro-evolution knowing that it was outside the realm of contemporary research and evidence. Fortunately, new data and research on speciation on dogs, foxes and wolves have pointed to the possibility of macro evolution in the works as a result of domestication. Over the millenniums, new "breed" of dogs appeared everything around the world. Although it would be argued that domestication caused sympatric speciation as a result of artificial selection, it does not change the facts that the developmental evolution (digestive system, skeletal structure, cognitive behaviour, hair pigmentation and density as a result of lack adrenal stimulant, etc..) of dogs have change significantly even between closely related relatives. Additionally, many crossbreeds of dogs have sterile offspring which effectively prevent the breeds from ever exchanging their genetic pool again, thus meeting the requirement of a new species. TL;DR The only difference between macro and micro evolution is just a scale of time. Creationists revived an invented their own meaning in order to push the the available evidence just beyond the requirement of acceptance. But research is slowly catching up into providing the evidence they asked for from research. Different breeds of dogs today have significant different physical appearance, mental capacity and behaviour that can't have viable offspring between certain breeds. Edit: The fossil record can be used both way as evidence of evolution and creationism (even with evolution as part of creationism by certain hebrew, christian and islam sects and many other culture's mythos). So it is kind of pointless to use it at this point since we still need more data concerning it. Additionally, certain christian theologians claim the fossil record is really god's prank or they were made some blasphemers. I'll keep it away from the discussion somewhat :3

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-continuation after the the experiments on mechanisms- Feb was bored and annoyed, the bard isn't there to be taunted as he and his wife went on vacation. The hammerswinger and the treehugger was nowhere to be seen. Taking this opportunity, he decided to go on another journey in search of gadgets and materials for more brews. Making sure that the hay and water were plenty for the pony for the duration of the journey, Feb set off with 2 barrels of ales, a few axe, light armours and some food. He remembered getting toss in the wave when he went north and east last time, then losing consciousness before waking up under the care of the monks. This time, he will go north and west. Why must these damned boats be so hard to control?! Damn that craftsmans, learn to make a decent boat! As Feb fights the oars, the wave, and the birds diving at him, he noticed a giant anchor on the horizon. By the hammers! When did this get here? As he gaze upon the anchor and the two large ships anchored nearby, he noticed an entrance at the bottom of the hill, behind the anchor. Struggling between his curiosity and his urge to get away as fast as possible for a few moment, his decision was made for him when his boat crashed into a pillar and scattered to pieces. Cursing, then realizing that shouldn't be here, he covered his mouth quickly. It was perhaps the situation, or the panic, or his mind playing tricks on him, regardless of the cause, Feb forgot he was in the water when he covered his mouth. After sinking like a hammer to the bottom of the small docking area, he swam up gasping for air. With the stealth of drunk hippo and the grace of a drowning fish, he climbed onto the docks. He looked around, searching for someone, anyone. It was eerily silent. Venturing a little further beyond the docks, he dragged his soggy wet self to a small cave. Inside the sparsely decorated room sat various devices, one is labeled "cannon", another "discombulastin". He spent long moments, inspecting each of the device in turn. A loud "clang" rattled from above, Feb nearly jumped out of his skin, as he was without his weapon which still sat at the bottom of the docking area. Taking no chances, he ran out and nearly choked. Further up the hills were lines, knotted with laterns. A giant blacksail blocks part of the horizon, and what seems like hanging cages can be seem dangling off the cliffs. Swallowing hard, Feb quickly scan the water, hoping for a way out, this is a pirate hideout. As he quickly scanned the water, he spotted a small boat similar to his old one, unanchored and in the water, he dashed to retrieve it. With unexpected swiftness, he got onto the boat, steered it into the docking area and recover what he can. Another clang could be heard again, taking no chances, he sailed off south and then west. Bloody pirates! Just my luck running into them! What next? Another st... Before he can finish sentence, he was already drenched by heavy rain. Before he can even curse at the clouds, his boat crashed ashore. This journey just get better and better! Crashing twice! Pirates! Storms! The soaked, chilled and visibly angry dwarf drags the few items he has managed to recovered at the pirate's hideout out from the wet and gritty sand to seek shelter under a tree. Worn out stoneaxe, one barrel of ale, leather helm and chestguard, 4 loaves of bread.. Feb put his face into his cupped sandy, rough hands and sigh deeply. After taking a gulp of his only respite in all of this, and slept. The next day, he grabbed the axe and proceed to cut down some nearby trees. After gathering some wood and wild fruits from the trees, as the stormy weather runs its course over the next few days, sunlight finally peeked through the cloud, he took a short rest, taking in the much welcomed heat and took a clearer look of the island he was on. He felt like crying the very moment he look at the water on the otherwise of the island. There sat an abandoned boat, gently swaying at the beach. Still can't believe he spent days gathering supplies and sleeping under a tree like a dirty elf, he trudge toward the ship. Taking another large gulp of the fine ale before he reached the boat, he then checks it for seaworthiness. Satisfied, he loaded his meager belongings as well as the lumber and fruit he acquired onto the boat and sailed off, heading south west, hugging the coastline. For a few days, he continued his travel, going thru what he saw, pondering about the two devices he inspected at the pirates' hideout. Seeing as there is nothing useful there for the time being, his thoughts began to wander. His barrel is ale is half gone already, he knows his journey will not last as long as he'd hope. Ever since he lost that first barrel at the pirate's hideout, it's one thing after another. A village of sorts can be seen, his heart skipped a beat. A rogue wave pushed the boat hard into the coastline, the hardpacked sand scrape the bottom of the boat, causing it to break apart. Exasperated, he just dragged what is left of his stuff, transfer the last of his ale into a waterskin, and walked toward the nearest building, which happened to be tastefully decorated. Hello? Feb's voice echoed throughout the church-like building. Thinking nothing's amissed, he got onto a road, upon seeing a sign pointing toward a tavern named "Drunken Druid" and another sign advertising "Druid's Drunken Melon", his spirit lifted. Nothing picks a slightly demented dwarf up better the promise of booze. I'll have two of your finest melons! He was obviously excited as he entered, but his face dropped upon seeing the empty building. Stomping off, fuming, cursing, Feb went down the street until he noticed, there's not a soul in the village. Looking around carefully, he sees a degree upon a bulletin board of sorts. It has notification of where to get food, residence and worse of all, that the entire village is moving for the sake of some elves. THE DAMN TREEHUGGERS AGAIN! I WILL CHOP ALL YOUR DAMN TREES DOWN AND BURN ALL YOUR SAPLINGS TO ASHES! He readied his axe, walked out of town and proceed to chop down the first tree he saw which happens to be in a pond. As he was wading thru the water getting to the second tree, he fell face first. Feb was about to start cursing again, but he stopped before he could start and licking his lips. What.. is this taste? Looking around, he see semi-rotten fruits on the vine, dripping its sweet nectar onto some floating plants on the water. Without a second thought, he took the nearest floating plant encrusted with the drippings and sipped it. The flavour seems a little off, but Feb was convinced he could fix that. Forgetting all about his original plan of cutting down all the trees, he started to harvest the lily pads and vines to bring home with him. He was gathering, drinking, gathering, drinking, forgetting about everything else. It wasn't until the next night, when the undead skeleton came chasing that he realized he was supposed to be on a journey. Hugging his precious harvests, he chopped down two skeleton archers in quick succession and ran. And ran. And ran. And ran some more. There were spiders, zombies, skeleton, even a tall dark creature Feb recalled as the Enderman, all vying to kill him. Just at the edge of the forest, there was a house with open door, with the last of his strength, Feb ran into the house, slam the door shut and promptly collapsed from exhaustion. He woke up when the hate sunlight shines upon his eye, although Feb hates the brightness the star provides, he was grateful for its warmth and its ability to chase away some creatures. Looking around, realizing the place was most likely abandoned, Feb restrapped his supplies, readied his axe and charged out. After slaying the spiders that awaits him, he ran off following the nearest path, looking back he can more spiders crawling after him, and behind them, a sign telling him that the house he took refuge in belonged to a translator And they say language is useless! ha! Thanks whoever you are! Feb travel continuously, ever in pursuit by creatures that would do him harm. He ran up the path, and circled a mountain, before finally reaching the interior of it. The can see a tree, overhanging a cliff, with its inside burning. Seeing as the flame doesn't spread, Feb deduced that the tree must be warded or have magical properties. Edging his way on one side of the cliff, he made it under the tree. He has lost track of how many days and night he has been traveling. His lumber have been mostly used up to craft axes to fend off the creature as he continued his travel. He was down to two piece of bread. It was fortunate that by stuffing his waterskin with some vine fruits and lilies managed to extend the life and quantity of his ale. As he make a mental checklist of his dwindling supplies, he unwitting drifted asleep. Hell's forge, I fell asleep? The tree must be special somehow, as he was defenseless from exhaustion and nothing, not even the creature that were chasing him, attacked him while he rested. He took some pebbles from his inner pocket, shifted some soil and buried them. Feb blinked a few times, refusing to believe he was being thankful toward a tree, walked off. What is it with the elves and bothering me everywhere I go? Why didn't the great ancestor wipe them out?! The path he was taking sloped down, eventually ending at the bottom of the mountain. Nearby waterfalls outlined the shape of a cavern. Thinking it was of dwarven design, he entered, only to find out it belong to some fancy noble elf house. Angry, tired, frustrated, hungry, thirsty, the miserable dwarf stomp down the echoing staircase, not caring whether he was trespassing nor the fact that whoever live here wouldn't like his intrusion. In his fury, he didn't realize he walked thru a portal and ended up in a dwarven domain. Knowing his luck, he dared not get his hope up, and he was right. The domain seems to be unoccupied, the tavern that offered booze of various variety, orcish halfing steak and other food, but there were no innkeep nor barmaid. Feb did managed to bump into two dwarves, but it seem they too were visitor in search of ale. Well, at least I can take in the sights and see what kind of engineering these distant brothers of mine are up to Feb crawled thru the tunnels, warmed himself by the massive lake of magma, explore the mineshafts and the train cart system. He was disappointed for the most part, as he had expected. He sighs as he stopped walking, at the top part of the underground city Maybe I should head straight west next time Double checking his belongings, Feb took out a purple stone with no definite shape, a few seconds later, he was back home. He could feel the voices, taunting him, teasing him, he quickly rushed to the brewery and gave himself a good, long drink These better be worth it Feb grumbled as he put away the vine and lily pads into a chest label "experiment", putting the thoughts of the two device he saw at the hideout to the back of his mind. He worked quickly to make sure the pony was fine and then went to his hidden cavern deep inside the city, where few have venture or knows of it existence. He joins into the pond of naturally brewed alcohol a top a tower cap mushroom, cleansing himself before walking down the stairs to the bottom of the giant mushroom. There, he lay down on the comfortable bed, surrounded by the mists of alcohol that are produced as it falls from the top. Tired, cleansed, enshrouded in the blessed mist, Feb took his well deserved rest.

If this is posted in the wrong section, please leave a msg on my profile, my last two posts here have been deleted with no warning nor notice. There's no "Read me first" pinned on this forum, and I was directed here in-game in OOC since I don't belong to the subsectioned nations. -continuation after the minor explosion during the visit by Tyras of Malinor- Bloody hume in treehugger clothing, be a proper pinkskin and wear human clothing for granite's sake! The short, scrawny dwarf opens more of the roof with a long stick to ventilate the distillery further. Kyra and Tyras can be overheard in the background, discussing about a house he would like to purchase. Feb is covered by even more soot as the residue from the explosion and subsequent smoke have gathered where the detachable roof was, not that it particular bothered him. He have been covered in soot all year round, even taking a bath have failed to remove them completely. As the fresh air rushes in from the two double doors, creating an updraft thru the roof, the dwarf goes to check to make sure his pony was okay and did not buck off in fright Curse that woman of an innkeep! Making me use the pony for transport, why can't I just roll the barrels to the tavern?! He continues to complain to the pony, who still lack a name, as he works to make sure it was not terrified from the explosion as it was relatively close to the stable. The young horse merely nudges his nose at the dwarf's hand and neck as the dwarf worked, part in acknowledgement, part in hoping to soothe the grumpiness. Feb rubbed the horse down with some soft sand to clean it and to kill any insects that would make themselve a new equine home, the pony was obviously delighted after it shook the sand off, neighing happily. It softly bit the hair and part of the dwarf's short beard to show its appreciation. What in hell's forges are you doing?! Feb was dangling halfway in the air, with only one leg supporting him. He continued to curse, about the horse at first. As the pony continued to groom the dwarf in its equine way, Feb resigns to the fact that he will be stuck for a while. So he took out the sample of his new brew, sipping and complaining, about the bard and his accursed innkeep of a wife, about them forcing this tiny horse on him, about the damn cats that keeps staring at him whenever he goes thru the fountain, about the damn elves, especially the elves and their treehugging ways. Feb complain and complain, eventually the gnawing slowly stopped and he could finally feel the ground under both his legs. Ack! Horse drool! Why you stupid horse, I ought to sla... Feb stopped midsentence as he was turning around while he intended to teach the tiny horse a lesson. The pony has apparently fallen asleep. Bah! Damn horse! Guess I best clean myself. Around the corner, several sheep Bahs in chorus, as if in response to the dwarf Oh don't you guys start with me! Feb stomped back inside the brewery, several more chorus of seemingly mocking Bahs can be heard before he closed the stable doors. He quickly enters into the basement, opened a barrel and showered himself with the booze to get rid of the horse saliva, which have caused his short beard slicked to one side of his face and his hair in ten different directions. As he did he quick shower, he does a mental verbal check of things he need to do: The new brew, I shall call Hell's Breath, needs to be diluted down further to prevent another explosion Kyra needs a shipment of the new brew for her tavern as they are running low on booze to serve Kick one of the cats if they stalk me again Make a statue of that newcomer, Myra? Zyra? Kyra the second? Can't quite remember his name, well, he like Whiskey, so I'll just call him Whiskers. It would be the perfect gag for a tavern's centerpiece! Kill all living things Write down the new recipes Check if the distiller need repair as a result from the explosion Feb freezes midmotion, blinks a few times. G't out of me head you damn accursed crawlers! Go back to the bloody hole where the stonewrought gods have sent you! I will not join you as did me family! Taking a ladle of alcohol from another barrel and gulping it down quickly, Feb waits a moment for the blessed booze to take its effect. He redo the list in his head. Dilute the new brew Kyra needs a shipment of the new brew Kick one of the cats Make a comedic statue of the newcomer Write down the new recipes Check if the distiller need repairs Get the bard to standstill so fruits can be thrown at him to confirm one of the brew recipe Satisfied with his mental list, cleansed both in mind and body, the dwarf went to one of the spouts, flipping it. A mechanical thump can be heard in the opposite end of the room. Making sure that Kyra, Tyras and others weren't near, the dwarf goes into his hidden room. Taking out his artisan hammer and chisel, he starts to engrave the new recipes onto left walls of the room.