MaltaMoss

Just now, drfate786 said:

 

You're not understanding my argument. I'm saying that you don't need artificial rules and systems to dictate and control this, he's arguing against the current system that favors independence/player agency. You can't FORCE players to be a part of something they don't want to be a part of.

yeah ok maybe you're not ill 🤝

actual sane idea

I thought you were attempting to say that empire's do nothing ever and are useless and bad (objectively evil take)

sorry for even considering to defend the perfidious haenseman shill Xarkly 

6 minutes ago, drfate786 said:

The reality is this:

 

Player groups on LoTC have their own cliques and cultures. These friend groups, cliques, cultures and whatever simply don't mix with nations such as Haense for example. This typically ends in the eventual balkanization of the server. To do what you are suggesting would actually kill off all activity in the server as these player groups simply don't want to be a part of your one nation 1984 state, nor do they want to be subject to a weak NL that just wants to steal their activity, numbers and by greater extent their friends. They'd simply establish a new nation out of spite and if they can't, they'll leave the server instead of being forced to be part of some nation they don't wish to be a part of.

 

You can't and will not stop balkanization and any attempt to do so is folly as it just makes it happen faster. This is a player issue not a staff or rule issue. I'm not dumb and I know what you're calling for, it won't happen. It will never happen.

 

My advice to you and your clique @Xarkly, stop trying to rule the world before you end up suffering the same fate Oren did in the Acre rebellion. I don't understand what it is with this strange and dangerous obsession for control over player agency, leave people alone. 

 

There is absolutely no rule or system you can introduce to this server to help you control the playerbase, they don't want to be under human empire number 108. They don't want vassalage and they don't want domination. 

 

All I can gather from this post is some poor attempt at trying to be manipulative and convince people that an empire/big autocratic nation wouldn't be such a bad thing after all. It absolutely is and has never led to anything positive on this server, ever. 

 

 

Your take was so bad you somehow made me agree with Xarkly

Please stop pretending like humanity as a playerbase doesn't hinge on some level of large scale overarching project no matter what. I said this earlier on this thread and I'll say it again, the end goal of every human project in server history has been to build something for others to join and grow, or join something to help it grow. This is the end goal of EVERY SINGLE HUMAN NATION, VASSAL, TOWN, ECT. 

This level of historical revisionism is mind melting why did you post this.

**** you

>we kill oren

>server rejoices

>wait why is human rp so shit and balkanized

>no you cant make another empire it will be bad

>cyclical suffering for 3.2 billion years eternal haenser peace-wall nothing state 

I participated in the crimes that led to Oren's death (billetiest revanchism, nectorist plots, ect.) and even I recognize we might have screwed up somewhere. The end goal of any human project in my mind is to become part of something greater, or become that greater something, by any means necessary. The point of every prominent enjoyable human project I have participated in during my tenure on the server has been to achieve some sort of greater unity or solidify some region of the human niche. Highlander, Heartlander, what have you, it's always going to be the ideal end goal for any human project. You either join something and help it grow, or grow something for others to join. That is it. 

We can't kick sandcastles for 3 generations and then expect there to be anything left to build off of. I'm sorry but most of these irrelevant nothing states should just be vassals of something. I see the server through a human player filter because I only every really participate in humanity, so forgive me if that take is jaded. I'm not saying we need an Oren, but we need change. I never thought I'd say this but I actually agree with James2K slightly.

On the topic of realms, I was a GM for a year and a half and saw a lot of realms come and go. Most of them don't necessarily need to exist in any real capacity, and simply exist to fill niches not accurately catered to by pre-existing communities.  Most should be vassals though. Also it doesn't matter what GMs think mod admin has technical final say on everything, and beyond that admins can really do whatever they want team input or not. There is a voting system but if you excuse my cynicism I don't think it really matters. GMs get thrown under the bus by red-tags enough (shoutout SpoopyDuck) so I wont kvetch about it much longer. 

Admins wont help us yada yada its up to player culture and player actions blah blah blah.

We have to change the server they aren't going to do it for us. 

The Ghost of an ancient imperial soldier murmurs in his slumber beneath the forgotten world. 

"Do you want the boring status quo or not make up your mind!"

3 hours ago, christman said:

wheres maltamoss on this list 

TRUE! TRUE! TRUE!

The Skipper daps up his longtime associate and great friend P-Lo Iamsu of the HBK Oyashima clan, smiling as their latest bard classic slaps on the streets of Veletz.

EBKGaspard up next fr fr 

The Skipper stands there in complete shock, utterly baffled by the upset.

 

The Skipper watched the captive from across the room, thoughts of Breakwater and Brasca swirling in his mind.

"My neighbors, my friends." 

The Skipper raises his glass, cheering for the revenge that was their birthright.

"I know this mean nothing to y'all..."

this is really cool

genuinely, good work.

CT should hire you to make songs for stuff 

The Skipper stares down at his mangey halfling ally, confused by his ramblings. 

"We have him again? I thought it was jest!"

The Skipper, or what had replaced him, stepped forward and took in the fresh air.

"For Breakwater, for Brasca." The words spilled from him in a wave, lifting all the pressure from his heart. 

thanks mali :D

A horrid torrent of shells and arrows rained down upon the Skipper's figure, his last thoughts of the young palace boy who had reminded him of his son.

Esteemed round table resident and long time dead man Valentin Mareno stares down upon Petra from his fluffy white cloud in the seven skies.

"Paul grab me a beer they're back at it again. No, no, there is no order of the eagle this time!"

you know i was ct once

it's fun

40 minutes ago, Borin said:

"AMEN. REJECT THE FERRYMAN. EXCEPT MALTAM0SS" declares Cardinal Odo

The Skipper, upon hearing that the fair cardinal had embraced his skygod was delighted.

"My guy right there, for real."

Valentin Mareno gazed down from the seven skies, raising a brow as the millenia old myth that was Captain Banjo made his move.

"Why can't we be friends?"

An old rugged face cracks with a wide smile, the grizzled visage of one Valentin Mareno greeting the late father in the seven skies.

"Hey! Tony! I knew you'd make it up here one day. How about those Imperials? We really did a number on them, huh?"

The dust settled upon the bridge, falling in waves over the mangled corpses of the fleeing Haensemen and their perfidious allies. The Skipper, having survived the slaughter, surveyed the bodies with a perplexed expression. Suddenly, what he was looking for came to him in a flash.

"Where is King Aleksandr?"

The Skipper looks upon the missive, confused.

"Have we ever been communicated in one of these scuffles?"