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"Baldemar is good popik, da." Hiero-Schema Vladimir from the Proto-Skete of Saint Otto outside of Alban comments to one of his monastic brothren as they recieve the news of the Election.

They're animals, they don't have feelings, they don't have a complex society, we are earth's dominating species. To say that we're not "humane" for killing animals is stupid, seeing as animals aren't human. Eat meat folks.

It would also be impossible to simply release a bunchs of animals bread to taste good, they'd just die by the hands of nature seeing as they're not used to, you know, being wild. Not to mention that you'd have hordes of cows, pigs, sheep etc just grazing on our fields. 

he writ gud

This is well written but a dutch style culture already exists, Londenlander.

38 minutes ago, James2k said:

"I find it rather amusing, actually, how you suppose I'm a blasphemer when you're the one trying to tear up 200 years of doctrine just because you don't like it. You can't just make a claim and then say it must be true without any backing. How is it unjust to faithful Canonists that virtuous pagans might inhabit a lower sky than them? They still get their greater reward for their devotion. No one every claimed that the pagans achieved salvation to the same degree as the faithful. 

 

"And also, by claiming that it is blasphemy to say that non-humans aren't sent to this mystical limbo realm of yours, you're calling all the clergy dating right back to to the foundation of the Church blasphemers. You call the entire Church blasphemers merely because you haven't a clue what the Seven Skies are. There isn't just one level to them, a pagan or a Canonist non-Human could be sent to a lower sky without breaking God's promise at all. 

 

"And yes, while it is true that doctrine should not solely be based off Scripture, that does not mean you can just contradict and invent Scripture to suit yourself. You speak of the importance of the Holy Tradition, while wishing to tear it up in favour of your own unfounded doctrine. The doctrine may have originated from a dream, but it is scripturally sound and does not require the invention of new realms, and as such the Church saw to making that its teaching. While it is true that dreams aren't exactly the most reliable source, what you're offering is no better. You've called Church doctrine blasphemous and want to revise hundreds of years of teaching because of what exactly? You woke up one morning and thought God's justice unfair so you decided to create your own realm? You can try and make random claims into axioms all you want and try and prove how impossible it is for current doctrine to be true, but that still won't give any ounce of evidence that this limbo of yours exists."

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“This shall be my last reply to you,

How can pagans be devout? Pagans do not believe in God. They may be devout to their own faiths, but if that is worthy of salvation, why have the church? Why is it necessary to have any fear of the Lord if we shall be saved either way? And even if they do not achieve salvation to the same degree it leaves me dumbfounded: why would the Lord grant salvation to those who do not believe? We go back to the previous question, if that is who why do we need the church? If God established the church then it is for a reason and that reason is salvation. No soul outside the church may be granted salvation, if that would not be true than the church would serve no purpose.

Perhaps the Lord shall have mercy on them, for they did not know the truth. And you’re quite right, I do not know what the Seven Skies are, no one does, to proclaim that they do would be a mark of insanity. You say I have no scriptural backing, yet, when I present you the verse of which clearly demonstrates that non-humans do not walk upon the Seven Skies you ignore it and claim that it does not break God’s promise. I revert to my last paragraph to why having so-called ‘virtues pagans’ in the skies is false.

When did I invent scripture? And I do not consider the babblings of an heretical priest’s dream, to be a revelation from God.  Mind you, the same priest worked with the Chivay Cabal to undermine the church. As I stated prior the teaching that non-humans and pagan may walk the skies is against church doctrine; the verse Godfrey 2:17 shows how non-humans do not walk the skies and the first paragraph of this letter shows the problems with accepting that ‘virtue filled pagans’ may walk the Seven Skies. When a man has reason he does not need evidence. As I stated in an earlier letter, if you see a child, doesn’t it seem obvious that said child must have a father and mother? Same thing applies: If God is just and is not a liar there must be a realm, not in the Seven Skies, where non-humans of the faith go, because God promised the Skies only to Horen and his children. If you feeble mind cannot understand this then I say you drop any further attempt at writing a poor rebuttal. But if you wish to continue it’ll only aid me in keeping my fire alive while I cook a nice rabbit stew. God bless.”

2 hours ago, James2k said:

"You can argue whether pagans should be saved or not every day for the rest of your life, but no matter what you say it doesn't change the fact that all humans were given the gift to wander the Seven Skies. It doesn't matter a damn what you can see or not see happening, you aren't the one who decides what happens to them. Neither do you decide what realm Canonist non-humans should be housed in. What you believe should be the case is not necessarily the case, and doctrine should not be based off the unsubstantiated opinions of men but on the infallible words of the Exalted as recorded in the Holy Scrolls."

 

“I waste my precious energies on attempting to educate a fool,

You are indeed right, all humans have been given the right to wander the Seven Skies, you are indeed right, it is not I who sits in judgement, you are also right, it is not I who decides what happens to the faithful. Yes, I decide nothing, but there is one thing that I possess that you, seemingly, do not, a mind.

Tell me this: if pagans who do not believe in God are sent into the skies, isn’t that unjust to those who toil to gain His praise? If what you defend is truly right, then, God is unjust. If God is unjust He is not perfect, if He is not perfect He is not God: that is Blasphemy, repent.

Tell me this: if those faithful to God that are not of the of the line of Horen achieve salvation to the same degree as those that are, would God not break His promise? If what you preach is truly right, doesn’t that make God a liar? If He is a liar He is imperfect, if He is not perfect He is not God: that is Blasphemy, repent.

Your last point is the only one that may have some substance, although it is still incorrect. You claim we should base our teachings solely on the Scrolls, you start to sound like an heretic by the name of Thomas Aquinas. While our doctrine is heavily based upon the Holy Canon it is also based heavily upon Holy Tradition, which are the traditions of which the Holy Godhead inspires in men to praise Him. Why, you might ask, because the Scrolls do not give us the whole needed to worship Him. Now, you, who so defiantly defend a Cordal’s dream, might say: ‘Is it not righteous to call a doctrine with two hundred years of history Holy Tradition?’ to which I reply: no! How can we base our doctrine upon a mere dream? If I dreamt of women priests and I attempted to implement it I’d be stoned! And rightly so! Not to mention that, Cordal Winter, would later be a Caesaropapism heretic! Only redeeming himself later. To believe in a man’s fever dream as Holy Revelation is idiotic at best.”

1 hour ago, James2k said:

"So you've still yet to find any scriptural evidence for this limbo realm of yous, great to hear. You've also yet to find any evidence to suggest that virtuous pagans would be denied their place in the Seven Skies as promised by the racial blessing of all men. Repeating that the blessing was given to humans doesn't prove that it doesn't apply to human pagans and repeating over and over 'pagans can't enter the Seven Skies' doesn't make it true. You wish to revert 200 years of Church teaching and to contradict scripture based off...what exactly? Just because you don't like it? Because you'd rather your fantasy limbo realm existed instead? Ridiculous."

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“I truly tire of this discourse,

If you see a child, and that child is made of flesh and bones and is not some illusion made by the magicians, would it not be wise to conclude that said child has a father and mother? The same can be applied to almost anything. If God is just doesn’t there need to be a realm, outside of the Seven Skies, where non-humans who worship Him go?

On the matter of paganry, do you also find it just that someone who denies God may achieve salvation? Would it be fair to the Saints and Martyrs who toil and bleed to praise and honour Him? Would it not make the sacrament of reconciliation unnecessary? The only instance I can see a pagan achieving salvation is that, if through no fault of his own, he does not know of the faith of God.

Instead of wasting my time, think before you spit out nonsense.”

3 hours ago, James2k said:

"To claim that Church doctrine for hundreds of years is false is to question whether any of it is true. It is to say that we cannot be sure that any of the dogma we are taught, even the Doctrine of One, will remain the Church's teaching in future. It is also an accusation that past Pontiffs have for hundreds of years been misleading their flock with lies. Surely God would not allow the leaders of His Church to preach falsehoods as known truths for so long?

 

"Not only this, but the arguments you have presented for this revision are flawed at best. You say that virtuous pagans cannot reach the second sky because the Seven Skies were promised only to humans, but how would that exclude human pagans then? And your insertion of this extra limbo realm seems to be entirely unfounded on scripture and just pulled out of thin air for convenience. If you are going to call Pontiffs liars and Church doctrine false, you should at least present scripture based arguments to back it up."

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“Whomever taught you to read did a poor job.

This doctrine as only been in place since Athera and it is based upon a man’s dream, how can we base our doctrines and dogmas off of dreams? I do not call His Holiness, Clement II a liar, nor any of his predecessors, perhaps they had not given much thought to the idea and thus allowed error to continue.

If you read what I wrote instead of spewing forth nonsense from your uneducated mouth you would’ve seen that I said that ‘[...]those who deny God have no place in His salvation,” both pagans and non-humans cannot enter the skies. I am not pulling things out of thin air, if you read what I wrote you can clearly see that having this limbo state is necessary for God to be just. If you wish for a scroll passage I shall humour you once:

“So Aeriel came among them, and by GOD’s will the brothers were alleviated of the pains of their imperfections. And thus Krug’s wrath was tempered with honor, Malin’s impotency with sanctuary, and Urguan’s greed with strength of will. But at the command of GOD, Aeriel did not alleviate Horen’s pain. For to Horen, the Lord promised the Skies. And Horen was assumed into them,” Godfrey, 2:17

This passage shows that after Iblees cursed the four brothers God instructed Ariel to bless them and each one got one blessing, and ours, the sons of Horen, is to walk the seven skies, this is not the blessing of Malin nor Uruguan, this is the blessing of Horen. I hope this suits your uneducated mind."

~ Ruskan Icon of the Ark of Salvation ~

On the matter of Salvation:

We, the children of Horen, were awarded with a most gracious and glorious gift: salvation. The souls of the righteous humans who have worshipped God and feared Him, at the time of their death, are transported ever upwardly into the Seven Skies. Let us remember then, that, only the children of Horen were awarded with this gift. I then ask this: if only us, the kin of Horen, may partake in salvation, where does this leave the other races? What of the few, although pious children of Malin? Are they damned to eternal madness in the Void? Being tortured by Iblees purely for their birth?

God is indeed the judges of judges, none beat His fairness or any of His qualities. Then there is only one possibility for the souls of those not of the Horenic race: partial-salvation. What does this mean? It means that those who uphold God’s law and worship Him may not feel His full grace, yet may receive it partially in a realm in the Limbo between the Skies and the Void. What does it look like? I do not know, but I know it must exist, for God is good and God is the most just.

The mere justness of God makes it so that even non-humans may achieve partial-salvation, but, I must make some things clear: there are creations that displease Him. The cat-men which were created by an Aengul in defiance of God and any other creature not made by Him is barred from salvation, for their soul is imperfect as it was not created and crafted by Him.

One must also renounce the thought that the ‘virtue filled pagan’ exist and go to the second skie. Those who deny God have no place in His salvation, much less a place in the second skie, especially if they are of a this also applies to men of other races. To think this is to blaspheme, for would God not break His promise? He promised the race of Man a place in the Seven Skies, not every race or every religion. We must also not base our knowledge of the Seven Skies on  a man’s hallucination.

For God to be just there must be a realm where the creatures of which He has no covenant with dwell, neither saved nor damned. This Limbo state would be marked by some sort of reward for following Him but not the feeling of ecstasy gained by the several levels of the Skies. Certain creatures not created by Him are barred from salvation, for they were made in rebellion. No men outside the Church, no matter how pious may achieve salvation in the Seven Skies, and any men not of the Blood of Horen also cannot achieve salvation in the Seven Skies as stated prior.

I urge & pray that His Holiness, Clement II, a man of great piety and expertise, to revise the doctrine that states that non-believers and non-humans may ascend into the Skies.

Elder Vladimir, Hiero-Schema & Faithful servant of Godan and His Holiness

"SHAMFUR DISPRAY!" Shouts a Oyashimese as his men retreat.

Make another FRP

He's a big homosexual +1

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Make LoTC Deistic again

"This is a battle you've lost, just let it go." Says Vladimir.

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RP:

Colony Name: Novaya Rossiya (New Russia)

First Planet Type: Earth-like

History: 

New Russia is a colony established by the Russian Orthodox Church. Infact it is quite multicultural, although the main ethnic group is russians there are big minorities of greeks, ukrainians and serbs. Although the Russian Government offered to let the Patriarchate embark with them, the Moscow Patriarchate refused, stating: "The Church of Christ and its faithful shall embark on their own, they shan't be slaves of a secular power, nor be used to further the political machinations of the Russian State. The Church of Christ in Russia shall be free of any political intervention and completly independent. Glory be to God." The reason for disunion between the otherwise solid duality of church and state are unknown, but it is guessed that at some point the President of the Russian Federation over stepped his boundries with the Patriarch, in what way, no one truly knows besides the Church Elite. The Church to afford the building of a space **** sold much of it's property, gold ecetera. During their period of "humility" the church was known as "Derevyannaya Tserkov" or The Wooden Church, due to its lack of gold or any other real embezzelment. It also enjoyed heavy donations from the most pious of believers, many of those who donated had their children given a spot in the ship. Many greeks also sought refuse within the Russian Orthodox ship, not wishing to rely on their state's possible inability to provide salvation to them, the same happened to other minorities of other slav countries. 

So the ship was built and it rose upwards to space. Patriarch Tikhon IV declared all faithful who stayed behind on earth as "Great Martyrs". After some time they finally arrived to a planet they called "Novyy Iyerusalim", New Jerusalem, when the Patriarch was asked why, he said. "For this is the land in which you shall be granted salvation." He died shortly after and the Holy Synod elected Bishop Ivan Putin as new Patriarch, he took the name of Kirill. His Holiness Kirill III.

Map location: (Remember, fill a square and send it to me privately.) Will do.

"Not bad for an illiterate son of a half horse boy." States Aleksander with a slight grin on his face.

"Was there even an election?" Asks Vladimir. 

"They're foolish if they believe His Majesty ordered this." A Bishop sighs.

To the Most Blessed Queen of Courland,

It is most delightful to hear of your great and humble faith, you, my queen, are a true Apostle of GOD and Saint Julia, the blessed foremother of all the Exalted truly smiles from the Skies. The Conclave of Episcopates and the Holy Magisterium pray fervently for you and the whole noble family and let it be known that masses shall be said in your honour. We, the members of the Conclave would be most delighted to meet with you, my queen, and discuss where your most beneficial and pious aid will be necessary. For your aid, We, the members of the Conclave shall celebrate masses in honour of you, your children and all of the Staunton family.

In Nomine DEI:  Bishop Vladimir, Titular Bishop of Gamesh and member of the Conclave.

2 hours ago, Glocky18 said:

Ser Romanos would collapse to the ground after learning the death of another one of his friends and begins to calculate how many friends this war has taken from him. "Ser James... Jacque... Henry..." he'd mumble as he cannot force himself to stop crying.

"Grown men don't weep." States Aleksander Boronberg.

19 minutes ago, Will (TauFirewarrior) said:

"You abandon Godfrey and Siegmund, both greater men and prophets than you'll ever hope to be." remarks Maric reading over these texts

"I love the way you debate the points presented and don't just brush them aside to protect your little thought bubble buddy. Extremely intellectual arguments and points of view." The young offspring of a married priest of the true faith comments.

Praedicare Veritatem

Apocrypha being burnt.

This rebuttal is written under the authorship of Vladimir, which bares the ecclesiastical name of Chrysoschéria, the Golden Hands. Said texts are fully endorsed by the Holy and Most Blessed Church of the True Faith, under the leadership of His Holy Highness, Callixtus Primus, bearer of the True Laurels of Horen.

Foreword:

Faithful, it has come to the attention of the Holy Magisterium and the most blessed Conclave of Episcopates that in a rebuttal regarding the scriptural  apocrypha and the illegitimacy of the false prophets, the Canonist Church has once more placed their hope in worldly abjurations and nonsensical arguments. Once more, brethren, they have crept up to us in an effort to keep their lavish lives in the horizon. It pains the Holy Magisterium and the most blessed Conclave of Episcopates to realize the “doxology” of the rebuttal is not a salvation for the faithful but a salvation of the same corruption and worldliness that allowed said deviations to sprout forth in the first place. This blessed congregation which was reforged from the old, began by clergy who lived in the most ungodly period of the ‘Canonist’ Church: now brethren we fear another is soon to come. Be vigilant and heed the words of this proclamation to bolster your souls against any impending wickedness.  

The Holy Magisterium doth proclaim:

“Is the lout that pens these words an Aengual or perhaps a Prophet, or better yet, is it He? I am overwhelmingly confident that upon self-reflection the author of these blasphemous texts will find that he is a Man. And all Men are fallible and all Men sin. So I beseech upon you, faithful the words of the mutation.”

• MUTATION’S SELF-DELEGITIMIZATION.

His “Holiness” Daniel IV must not be of a scholastic profession, for he misses the point of our righteous sentence. Both Godfrey and Siegmund were Emperors, both men with their political ambitious. We, the Holy Magisterium are not naive, politics takes a toll on the individual’s soul for they, be it out of greed or out of incompetence or any other reason, will indeed sin. Both Godfrey and Siegmund as Emperors of mankind cannot be of pure intentions, especially Godfrey, for he reigned over the church more than the supposed Successors of Owyn’s Priesthood, a title rightfully belonging to His Holy Highness, Callixtus Primus. Now, one might say that our first prophet, Horen, was also a political leader, and while that is true one may not compare a tribal chieftain to an Emperor of Mankind united. Horen faithfully served God as we can see in the Holy History written by Godfrey’s scholastic minions.

“Does the author  reject his own authority, in that to lead any flock of GOD is to deliver His message, but surely GOD (according to these blasphemous texts) did not choose you for why would He call upon Worldly and Sinful Men?   So, who is it to reject the Holy Scrolls and condemn the Prophets? Is he better than God?

   For even Owyn was sinful! He slew his Uncle Harren, to which GOD frowned at and Owyn recognized he committed sin. This is, if they acknowledge this. Mind you this, Faithful. The Prophets were not chosen for their perfectness, but because they overcame their humanistic sin for the greater good.

The author hath shown a base understanding of the Holy Scrolls. Lo’ Faithful, for in his absurd writing he must not realize his own condemnation of Owyn.”

• MUTATION’S SELF-DELEGITIMIZATION.

His “Holiness” Daniel IV cannot compare the worldly duties of a priest which are to administer the sacraments to the faithful to the awesome duty of receiving the written word of God himself. His “Holiness” goes on to state that “they overcame their humanistic sin for the greater good” I ask you, did they? I say nay. Both “prophets” allowed the continuous propagation of Heresies within the church, professing said heretical faith, Godfrey allowed himself to rule the church under no right of his own and Siegmund defiled himself by acting as, well, a politician, which, while able to achieve salvation, cannot receive the Divine Proclamation for his profession and duties leads him to sin. Thusly how can overcome their sin when they commit sin even during their “prophethood”? Owyn however, repented as we can see in the holy history of written by the scholastic minions of Godfrey. The Canonists might make the point that Godfrey himself might’ve repetend but what good is repentance if you continue to propagate falseness and errors and abusing God for your own power and dominance over the church? Such a soul, even if they repented on a hourly basis could not achieve salvation for they have not rid themselves of what made them sin! Their power!

“Yes, they are so bold to denote the Scroll of Gospel as a fallible history book. Do they have no reason and logic? The consequences of denoting the Scroll of Gospel opens the prospect of Horen and Owyn not truly being Prophets and the sacraments of the mutation come into question. For the Scroll of Gospel is more than a history of the Church, it is the life of Exalted Horen and Exalted Owyn. For a mutation to claim that their lives may not be true and debase them as mere history is most unholy.

The author denotes the Gospel as non-sacred. To which I say, what we know of Owyn and Horen is in the Gospel, is this too non-sacred? And are these sacraments of the mutation non-sacred? For we know of Baptism because it is so authored in the Scroll of Gospel! For we know of St. Julia’s existence and subsequently the sacrament of marriage for it is too within that same Scroll.

Will these heretics pick and choose what is sacred and what is not from the Gospel? Apparently so. To which I ask, if any of them read this, how can you pick sacred and true events from a Man( this being Godfrey who penned the Scroll of Gospel) thou proclaim as too earthbound and not in favor with God?

Are they to base their faith off half-truths and picking only what fits their inherently anti-human dogma?  

   Now, let us look at the mutations condemnation of Siegsmund and the Holy Scroll of Auspice. First, let us examine the nature of the scroll. The Scroll delivers prophecies and while it is short that does not make it not holy. For why must GOD’s word be long?

And who is this supposed holy man to declare GOD’s word either finished or unfinished? The Author pens that in the hundreds of years after the last Prophet’s death (this being Sigesmund), the scrolls remain incomplete. Doth He speak for GOD? No, I say let GOD speak for GOD and let his Divine Light guide the Flock. If this man claims the scrolls are unfinished, then he contradicts GOD for it is clear that they are finished for after all these years GOD hath not modified them.”

• MUTATION’S SELF-DELEGITIMIZATION.

His “Holiness” Daniel IV once again misses the point. Simply because the history itself is not of divine source does not mean it is not true. Godfrey, a man of great resources, being the emperor, had many learned hands on his court and throughout his empire. Considering all the points prior to this, we can assume that Godfrey, as well as Siegmund, gathered the imperial intelligentsia to compile the Holy Histories, and Siegmund his Scroll of Auspice, written in scattered texts- said texts pertaining to the Gospel, of course. Simply because they are not of divine nature does not mean that they are wrong when depicting the history and lives of our prophets. His “Holiness” goes on to state that while Siegmund’s writings were short that does not debase it’s supposed holy origin, but, doesn’t it? The “scroll” ends on a proverbial cliffhanger, it is obvious that while it is excellently written it is not complete. The scroll ends as such:

• “Vision of Paradise 

Bare witness to this prophecy of Siegmund, of the line of Joren, revealed in his last days as he gaze into the Face of God:”

• SCROLL OF AUSPICE.

It is idiotic, foolish, and out-right moronic to say that they are of holy stature, the same is evident with the “Scroll” of Gospel which even has the scholarly canticles of “Godfrey” and “Sealing”, yet they have nothing written under said canticles; which is evidence that it is not finished. How can we assume that they are God’s words when “God” didn’t even finish His own divine revelation? Does His “Holiness” proclaim our Lord to be of a slothful nature? It is thus that we can firmly state that both scrolls are of unholy origin.

“The nature of this mutation is to act not as a servant of God, but as a servant to the political machinations of the Kingdom of Courland. Which, it behooves to eradicate traditions established by Godfrey and Siegsmund for they are symbols of a UNITED humanity.

Lo’ faithful, look further at the mutation’s musings, for they proclaim St. Julia as a Patron of Courland. On what grounds do they do so, for St. Julia’s life is within the Gospel (which to them is fallible) and even then, there is no mention of Courland in any scroll.

To cast out Godfrey and Siegmunds Line and to remove their Exalted status serves as a secular purpose to remove claimants from unifying Humanity. A purpose which directly benefits the Kingdom of Courland.”

• SELF-DELEGITIMIZATION.

His “Holiness” Daniel IV is once again, either of ill-mind or is purposely lying to the faithful. Our Communion was started when a posse of Clergy and Statesman deposed High Pontiff Theodosius II. We seeked refuge under Lorraine which granted such leniency, and we had a church council of several disenfranchised clergyman. Through imperial pressure, the duke of Lorraine expulsed us, and we, through God’s grace found refuge under the rebellion, under Tobias. Under the protection of Tobias our scholars sought after the knowledge of the old church, compiling texts and teachings of the True Faith, prior to the corruptions which took place after the fire on the Pontian See. Our Faith is not driven by political machinations, unlike the Canonist Church and her predecessors which bowed to unrightful Imperial Dominance, corrupted the Liturgy, forgot the Sacraments, and made Emperors into Exalted when they received no Divine Revelation.

"Your arguments are weak. All you say is that the faithful should not accept our doctrine, but why? It seems your dogma is riddled with theological errors and you cannot explain the reasons why WE are wrong, he speaks honeyed words to beguile his followers who are fleeting few, yet he does not address the concerns of the Faithful. He claims we wish to divide humanity, when WE wished to speak, even when WE wished to reunite, His Holiness prefers hide in his monasteries and cathedrals, so I ask you, Daniel, who truly wishes to bring confusion? The Church of the Canon is weak, its clergy fleeting, and its dogma, false, the church itself propped up by only two Kings, one of them with no true power and another outnumbered. God shows who he prefers, God’s will shall be done. Let the false prophets suffer in the maddening presence of the nothingness of the void, let the corrupt church who whores itself out for any state which controls humanity, die, let their churches be converted to our True Faith of the times of Exalted Owyn, let our Hymns be sung in the union of the Church and in the glory of GOD!” Exclaims a Old Believer Bishop.

"Montoya wishes to legalize drugs! What a scoundrel! All men of GOD should vote for Lord Horace, a true men of Faith." States a Bishop.