Song Druid

The sword of what now

Personally based only off of what you said it would sound even more like whoever rushed his training is at fault.  In what world do you blame somebody who was rushed through a training and not the trainer?  Now I don't know how much merit what you say holds or if there are GMs/Admins that made the decision to push him through quickly but at the very least what seems the most fair and logical thing to do would be to put the guy through a trial period once more to ensure that he's understanding.

I'll post a follow-up to this when I get off work to give more info on what it is.  Thanks for the feedback!

10 minutes ago, Shalashask said:

How was it? I was genuinely curious as he said he would be taking full responsibility and wanted to know what his punishment would be, if any.
Tahmas even responded to the comment, and many other GMs and LMs have viewed this post and presumably seen nothing wrong with what I wrote.

From your post in imattyz thread:

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 You are clearly biased towards Tahmas' side, and should not be removing posts just because you disagree with them.

I am not going to continue to debate this with you.  If you have feedback to direct you can direct it without saying "how are we going to punish this person for being incompetent".

I have no involvement in this situation and my only feedback has been that he shouldn't be removed for making a mistake.  I've never once said that he shouldn't be punished in fact I think I said this needs to at least go on his record.  If a punishment is devised that's fair.  I don't think removal from the team is fair. Now kindly stop accusing me of bias.  Direct your feedback properly and your post won't be removed.

3 minutes ago, Shalashask said:

Why was my first post deleted?

It was inflammatory and unhelpful.

@ The above, I definitely don't believe NOTHING should be done, just he shouldn't be removed from the team.

8 minutes ago, Pess said:

It's certainly not a joke. It was a mistake but like a regular player there needs to be actions taken. Nothing personal, simply fairness in all it's glory. If a player(non staff) where to do a thing equal in severity that affected a large group of players then that'd be a ban most likely.

Where do you pull your precedent from?  How exactly would a player accidentally do anything similar?  You can't make claims like this that don't have any basis in fact.  It would be different if it was done on purpose or multiple times, but it was an accident.

I don't understand where the daggers of unforgiving revenge are coming from.  People make mistakes.  Let his record reflect the infraction and move on.

Greetings, Lord of the Craft!

No, this isn't an April Fool's joke!  I just wanted to make a quick post announcing that we will be holding the next Creative Cafe on 4/23/16!  The last one was a banging success, so I expect to see a lot you showing up to do some performances!  We'll be hoping to make improvements over last time, as well as have a feedback process implemented to help improve future Creative Cafes. 

I'll see you on April 23, 2016 in the Creative Cafe Channel on Teamspeak!

The post doesn't feel like you're stating your opinion on the old LT.  It sounds directly accusatory and that is where I am basing my responses on. And on that note I continue to stand by what I said.  I would recommend making some changes to your post or adding a disclaimer at the bottom because at first glance it seems like pointing at the current LT when we can't attribute any of it at the present.

Not that you didn't make some interesting points, if you're criticizing an old lore team why bother at all?  Lulu definitely brings excellent points up about how this isn't necessary under the current team. It's clear that there are active attempts to make changes to these teams and operations that are underway even as we speak.  Let's give it a chance to succeed before we condemn it.

And for the love of god you and lulu need to get some pms going before I make you both hold hands

In regards to Druidism, we've quite recently held votes in regards to how we want to do growth and it was decided that it would for the most part remain the same save for a few edits.  Now obviously the Druids aren't going to let outside members decide the magic aspects.  But we're as open to revision as most any archetype it's just not something we are going to sit down and do week to week if we just happen to get 15 new members next month who don't like the way things are done.

I have many conflicting emotions and feelings as to how Druidism should be handled.  I'll say bluntly that it was originally a self taught magic.  It's a lot of meditating and practicing.  And those members who stick it out are rewarded in the end.  To respond to Artimec's post, I disagree completely.  I understand your points but we shouldn't make it easier for you to attain mastery of it.  Each one of those masters that exists put in the work and earned it and so should you.  Members who have tried to abuse the system by getting attuned and afking and coming back later to a strong character are not tolerated.  I would however be open to perhaps making it easier to become proficient in the art.

Also the fact that we have to cope with is time based vs effort based.  Time has to be involved, no doubt about it.  But it is logical to consider an effort or initiative based training.  What if somebody is just better with the magic?  What if they put in more hours studying? What if they learn more quicker? Etc.  But the problem there is that most if not all players approach this.  We have too many people trying to do so and thus it stops being special and becomes cliche.  This is why it is not done.

Now a revision of Druid magic has been recently proposed to put it to a three tiered system, wherein new druids are tier 1, most all other druids are tier 2 and master levels are tier 3.  This might satisfy some of the above critique, we're currently waiting on the person who brought forth the idea to document it formally so it can be submitted.  

Now if you don't know how to RP the magic at certain levels that's 100% on you.  The guides give pretty good indication of what you can/can't do per tier.

I had somebody recently tell me they thought the Druid lore was terrible, it kindof shook me a little bit.  I personally accept any and all input regarding it.  There are a few things that will most likely never happen, (ie becoming un guild locked), but I am not offended by critique regarding it.

I've known Lulu for a long time. Trust me on this she is anything but a staff favorite xD

I'm removed from the situation between you and Leo.  I fully support Leo's efforts to make aspectism canon lore as it has been done legitimately ic and the LT shouldn't deny something that has been established through cultural shifts ic.

Lulu has created lore for this server for a very very long time and is one of the most enjoyable people to RP with.  I can't believe you weren't already on the LT.  Huh.

I seriously doubt there will be any change in server upkeep.  If other servers are being approached too there would be little to no point for people to leave LotC for other servers for perks.  And if perks were all that were keeping players from LotC because of donations we might see an increase in membership and thus more ad revenue.  But also I'm bad at math

Deep within the wretched cavern wherein lies the Revenant abominations, the Song Druid gathered with his companions.  He in one hand carried his staff, Aren'iril, and within the other he wielded the sword gifted to him by the Uruk Alibaba.  Problem Solver.  Certainly they found themselves in need of resolution, for before them the two Revenants had battled and one came out victorious.  The twisted creature, rotting flesh displaying oddly jutting bones at random angles, jeering towards the Elf with sword outstretched, albeit several feet away.

As it slowly begins to advance towards him he feigned surprise, pointing behind it, "Oh look, you didn't kill him!  It's back up!"  This clearly didn't phase the creature. The jovial elf threw his head back in barking laughter, momentarily stowing his sword to toss a Blessed Lorraine Cross at the beast (to no effect) and blowing a raspberry at him.  He reached for his sword once more, and his former pupil Brolll, Druid of the Sky approached from behind, whispering, "Oh, will that kill it?"  Perhaps he was referring to the cross, or the raspberry, we would never know, for in that moment the beast dashed forward with a crippling swing at Broll.  It was with such startling speed and accuracy that the Elder Elf barely had time to react.  In a twirl the Druid stepped between the two, catching the full brunt of the blow, being rend from collarbone to groin.  At that precise moment however he summoned his strength, his eyes flashing a fantastic green and white light, and his staff began to branch apart in several hundred spikes, each one impaling the angry beast before him.  This strike still did not end the creature, but it immobilized it.  The Druid fell back on the stone, his sword falling from his hand, but his staff remaining tightly clasped in his grip.  The Tortoise Druid Muildir lunged forward to stab the being, and it lifted its sword to retaliate, however the Sky Druid bent down and with a shaky nod picked up his master's sword.  Together the Tortoise and Sky Druids slayed the creature, hacking and slashing away.

The Wolf Druid, who had just dispatched the other being, bounded out of his bear form to stand before him.  Somehow, remarkably, the Elf was still alive.  The din was unbearable in the cave, and the Druid locked eyes with Muildir.  "You promised.  Do not forget this."  The Tortoise Druid gave a steely nod, "I will not.  I will not Song Druid."

Nearby the Sky Druid was gibbering to anyone who would listen to save the other Druid, and the Ouity's words cut through the chatter like a searing knife.  "You are beyond repair, Song."

"Yes," came the simple reply from Arik.

"But are you really?" Spoke Ouity, a wry grin twisting about his face, gloatingly almost gleefully.

"I have made....arrangements." Spoke the Elf with difficulty.

"We shall see."  Came his mischievous response.

The Druid of Song looked down at his left hand, letting out a pained moan.  A mighty amount of energy was pouring into him, sustaining his broken body, but it was akin to filling a jug with water that had a giant hole in its side.  "Aren'iril....you will expend your energy.  Please."  He gasps, the reply coming back in his own mind, none in the room heard.  "No!  I will tether you to this world, I will not let you do this to yourself!"

Coughing, he smiles. "Aren'iril...knows.  Heh."  He winces again, and jerks his head.  The Wolf Druid draws his sword.  "Shall I ease the suffering?"

Violently the staff in Arik's hand shot out a tendril of wood to impale Ouity's hand.  Swearing he sheathed his sword and the wood retracted. 

"Aren'iril....stop."

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  i WILL NOT!"  Came the thunderous reply of the living staff.

Arik locked eyes with Ouity, and said, "Wolf, please, stop her.  She will take herself with me."

For a moment Ouity didn't move, his grin widening slightly, and Arik bellowed, gasping throatily, "PLEASE."

Swiftly Ouity kicked the staff and it skidded from Arik's grip.  The Druid of song let out a final breath and fell back to the floor, dead.

The staff's reaction was beyond violent, explosive.  Thousands of branches came from it to envelope Arik.  After a moment, they retracted and the staff lay quite still, defeated.  The Druid was gone.

Ouity leaned forward and began his last rites, and the Tortoise Druid closed the eyes of the Song Druid, who's gaze had last been at Ouity, whose words were too quiet for any to hear, especially the long departed Druid.

Some time later in Felsen.

The Tortoise Druid Muildir walked away from a tree house that had a sign upon it saying "The Legal Property of the Song Druid", and it rose in great noxious flames, which oddly did not spread to any neighboring stalls.  When the burning ceased, the tree crumbled.  Any Druid who approached it felt it utterly devoid of life.

A content creator does have the right to be consulted their lore is altered, this is fact and is indisputable.  You are using this as some crux of mine when I am simply making use of a system that is in place and has been explained to me by loremasters in the past.

For the record I never once said that the magic should act as I see fit so I would appreciate you not making such assumptions.  I will not continue to argue the same points over and over again, so I will simply state the facts as they are:

1. If you write the lore changes have to at least go through you.  Not just me, any collection of lore out there this is how LotC operates.  Not my rule.

2.All changes that have ever been made to the Druid lore/magic have been made by vote and all of the leaders have had input.

3.I do not control all of the lore  To say this is simply untrue.

And out of respect to Leo I will not argue the unattunement situation with you over the forums.  I would like you to as well.  It has been put behind us.  But suffice it to say that your depiction of me as V in that gif is ludicrous.  There are a vast majority of differing opinions in the Druids, and I have personally seen some of my own endeavors fall short because others thought another way was better.  I don't have singular control over anything.  And I'm sick of continuing to say so.

Finally after everything you know of me if you think that I am honestly the type of person to take a position and use it to undo/retry something that a previous administration overturned,  you have an incredibly bad view of me and I guess there is nothing I can say further to dissuade your opinion, it's clear that you're too far gone.

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This isn't anything personally against you, as I do like you Jamie, but I generally take lore business regarding Druidism pretty serious, as we can all remember a few certain previous Druid LMs that annihilated the reputation of the magic :P.

The reputation of the magic?  90% of the lore was written by me.

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I would give an upvote to this under normal circumstances, but the incident regarding Art / Leowarrior14 and the 'railgun' swayed my vote to a firm no.
Song Druid admitted to not following the written lore on Druidism when the incident happened;
"[15/02/2016 6:16:01 PM] Jamie Elakrah: It doesn't matter what the guide says.."
Instead, he tried to force unattunement on a player involuntarily, using this unwritten 'long-range unattunement' thing; dubbed the railgun. Fortunately, it was retconned.

My biggest factor when seeking to upvote or downvote an application is whether or not this player would take their role as an opportunity to provide a more fun and positive experience for others. In this case, I'm conflicted.
So, with that, I have to give a -1, sorry Jamie.

 

To begin with and this is a subject that irritates me to no end, because you take my words out of context to suit your own argument against me:  The unattunement was not a singular decision made by myself and it was a group decision which was brought up to both the MAT and the LT and was approved before moving forward.  I accept that I was a point person in this as I usually am in situations regarding the Druids, however as Leo said we have put this issue behind us and there were several things at play here.  To provide context to what I actually said, I said it didnt' matter what the guide says because it had been approved beforehand and the guide had simply neglected to be altered/revised.  In the scheme of the situation obviously it was re-voted upon and overturned which I have accepted and have not pursued further however at the time it was and still is a valid point to have made.
 

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After going through another few applications, I stumbled upon something I wished to address briefly.

This is the attitude most are talking about, and something that I, personally, really don't want to see in an LM. While you may of possibly created the lore, this doesn't entitle you to own it and, per-say, 'run it'. The lore itself should belong to those that RP it; it being something that they are trying to find entertainment from. There shouldn't ever be an 'owner' of a lore piece, as it belongs to the community it was created for. No one can claim ownership of any lore piece.
So let me end this small edit with a rhetorical question. Are you trying to achieve this position to better the community, provide more fun for the players, and assist with the magic? Or are you trying to get this position in hopes to control it.

 

With any lore out there the creator has the right to be notified of revisions and be involved in that process.  I don't understand why you find this to be some negative attitude on my part.  More infuriatingly this particular quote (in which you once again post my words out of context, thank you by the way), was directly a joke aimed at Leo in spite of myself because of our past.

To answer your question, while rhetorical it is aimed at me and I will answer it.  I want to provide more fun with the players and assist with the magic.  As far as my "control" goes the Lore team does have final say in these things however there are leaders in the Druids who keep and maintain the lore.  I am one of them.  Others include Callax and Ouity, and the current Inner Circle.  Elders/Content Creators who are able to oversee the well being of the lore/magic rather than make concessions to those who have no right to change the magic around (ie a non druid or new druid who hasn't earned the right).  This is no different than any magic or lore out there.  I don't understand why you paint me as some villain who tries to control everything.  No changes have been made to Druidism without the consent of the ooc leadership, nor the lore itself has changed.  Any changes to the cultural aspects are decided IC in moots.   I just don't get it.

What is your Minecraft Account Name?: JMACKLES, previously YifengZhong
 
How long have you played on LotC?:  About 5 years now.  Since 2011.
 
How many hours per day/week are you available?:  Every day.  As far as hours I can be available several hours per day, and as far as communicating with me unless it is late at night and I'm sleeping, I'm universally available to speak.
 
What lore do you know best on LotC:  Druid Lore
 
Give a Summary of any Staff/Lead positions you’ve held on any Minecraft Server in the past:     I've held several positions in LotC's history.  In order, I've been on the AT, the FM team, the MAT, the Media Team and the ET.  

Do you have a Skype account? You may post it here, or choose to keep it private until you are asked for it.  Note; Skype is required to communicate with the team and unless you have an account and the program it you will be incapable of joining the team:     Uron.Boonfa
 
Have you ever written any lore for LotC? We are looking for LMs who either know a lot, have a lot of ideas— or preferabl both. So lets see what you have done. If you want a part of the app to pay most attention to-- pick this one.   I have written a bunch of lore.  I wrote the lore on Druidism, Ents, Elder Trees, Soul Trees The Aspect Stones, and Fairy Rings.  I've also maintained an unofficial position as Druid Lore Representative for as long as I can remember.
 
Have you ever receive a Magical Blacklist, ban or other blacklist if so, please link it:
 
Please include a link of  anything you've wrote that you consider to be your best work, this does not have to be LotC related however it must be by your own hand:
 

It'd be inappropriate for me to apply now :p

Callax I think you would be a better fit for the MAT if I'm being quite honest.  You don't write much lore (which isn't a big deal!), and the lore you did cite wasn't written by you (in fact one was written by me, ahem!), and despite saying you influenced them directly it just (to me) comes off as taking credit for other's work.  Cmack worked incredibly hard on the shapeshifting lore and while we gave suggestions it is his alone and I don't think it should be referenced to bolster your application.

THAT SAID-

I think you are one of the few I trust to know things lorewise. You also have a good working relationship with just about everybody.

So if it's something you really want to go for then I say +1 and I hope you get it.  But I do think you're best suited for the MAT.  Less need to write the lore and such, y'know?

Leo is hard headed.

He's a stubborn *******.

He's a lot like me >.>

Actually despite all our differences Leo has done wonders for pushing new lore through on the server, and creating rich cultures not only by writing lore for it but developing it in RP which in my opinion is one of the greatest accomplishments one can have.

As long as you don't make any Druid lore changes without talking to the creator first *cough*

Grinning, an Elf wanders up, his old green robes trailing in the dirt behind him.  He has a glint of excitement in his eyes, and he beckons anyone who would listen nearby.

"Come!  Yes!  See this now, without magic, without otherworldly aide I will earn this substantial reward."

He bends to the ground and plucks an acorn seed, holding it up for everyone to see.  He grins wider still, and bends back down, stooping to press the seed into the soft earth.  With the flat of his hand he smooths the soil over it until it is totally covered.  Then, beaming, he spreads his arms out and steps back, turning to the crowd in triumph.

"Behold!  This tree will grow, and grow from its line a thousand more, and those in turn a thousand thousand more!  It truly is a beautiful display of life.  The Druids request that the money be delivered in the form of several hundred diamonds, to be placed at the foot of the Aura Druid Beleran's shrine of the Demi Aspect within the Oasis Grove.  This is to honor his insatiable hunger to better the order by lining his own pockets with money."

He bows several times, even attempting to do a somersault once, but fails miserably, landing flat on his face.  Still, he clambers to his feet, cackling wildly.

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The Elf scowls at his companion and turns away.  "Perhaps you are right.  There was a time when we both acted as he, ignoring the politics of the Order in favor of making drastic moves for the Aspects."

He chews his bottom lip silently for several seconds, all that can be heard is the drip drop of water from stalactites hanging from the roof of the cavern.  "I find it amusing that he submits his cull to Cerridwen and Cernunnos, when he fulfills the calling of another...."

He chuckles to himself and begins to hobble from the cavern.

Lulu and I have been friends for years.  Honestly she's one of the few people on LotC with that I can be myself around, she's just a great person all around.  Albeit she's also a *****.

Definitely one of the greatest RPers I've ever come across.  She really rubs off good RP on other people.  I adore this player.  I don't think I can put into a single post how much she has done for this server in various ways, and she never asks for thanks despite the many times she's been slapped in the face for all she's done.  If you accept anybody accept Tehlulu.

I don't get it.  If we get people who apply who do not meet our standards then we will not accept them.  What changes, really?

8 minutes ago, Whimsylicious said:

He's absolutely not fit for a moderating position. A quick read through his post history will show just how much snark and arrogance he holds. -1

I'm sorry you feel that way.  I try to structure my arguments to be rather structured.  As far as the ad hominem, I was simply finding it rather ironic.

1 minute ago, Whimsylicious said:

He's absolutely not fit for a moderating position. A quick read through his post history will show just how much snark and arrogance he holds. -1

I could say exactly the same about you.  I've been meaning to ask for a while.  You seem to go out of your way to let people know how much you dislike me.  What exactly have I done towards you? O.o

As I stated, I am working to better myself and my flaws, and I think I have proven myself presently and in the past as a good moderator.