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Can I ask you what good insulting people does?

But the universe is a closed system... how hard is that to undertstand?

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...No... only if evolution is true can creationism be false... so far, it has not been proven true... I said if the big bang theory is proven false it brings us closer to proving that there is a God. CLOSER. not all the way there. And from now on, im going to say Prime mover instead of God, because God makes people think Christianity, but it doesn't necessarily mean that. Go back to the last page and read the section on mutation please. You understand what im trying to say... don't twist my words here... When have I used the Bible? Please tell me, because im pretty sure I have not been doing so... To be honest, I have nothing against the Big Bang theory. Except that somehow nothingness created something. The Priests words were twisted to say that. All things that have a beginning had to have been caused by something... I can try! Im afraid I dont understand what this has to do with what I said about being one step closer to prooving that there is a God, or as i should have said, "Prime Mover". Those used to be theories... and they turned out to be false, yet they were believed. Thats all I was saying. But the Qur'an has many contradictions in it, whereas the Bible has none. In fact I could probably refute any so called "contradiction in the Bible" right now... EDIT: ill talk about jistumas post after homework...

Not making an effort to look at it from your perspective? I am, believe it or not! I do not need to work to counter your arguments, because the only way to disprove a theory is to give one shred of evidence against it! If we can do that, evolution has to be tossed out the window! We may be making logical fallacies, but we are also making some very logical points as well. Big Bang is a way to explain the beginning of the universe without God. If we can kick that off, we are one step closer to proving there is a God! If we can show that there is a God, that brings us one step closer to proving creation! So, we arent really being illogical here... You yourself are docking some of our arguments! If we cannot refute some, then that does not neccesarily prove Evolution, just that you do have some evidence going your way. Your Evolution for dummies does not prove anything either, and if you looked at the quote i quoted, you will see that i have in a sense responded to it. Belief in theory does exist! People believed in the theory that the sun revolved around the earth, right? Whats the difference here? The Bible is composed of 66 books writen over 2000 years all pointing twoard the same thing. Coincedence? I think not! The Bible also has many many prophacies that have come true! We believe not to explain certain phenomenon, but rather to find the truth! Right now, we are trying to disprove Evolution. Once we have done that, we will talk about the bible...

If energy is a constant it cannot be infinite. Infinite is not a constant. Thus energy cannot be infinite! This website says that: "the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initial state." Thus it is decreasing! He would be outside of the laws of this universe, because he is not in this universe! Thus these laws would not apply! If you actually read the whole quote, you would understand that it is also attempting to show that God has to be out there! Read the whole quote and find out!

So... let me get this straight.... You wont even reply to a post I make because you think I dont understand it? Well tell me tell you this: I do understand it, probably better than you do. It is stating hard logical evidence against evolution that, because of your stalling, it seems you cannot counter. That much I know. The universe cannot have made itself because nothingness cannot make something. The universe cannot be infinite because due to the first law of thermodynamics, which states that there is a finite amount of energy, along with the second law of thermodynamics which says that the amount of available energy is always decreasing. Thus, if it were infinite we would have no energy at all left in the universe. Logical conclusion: Something had to have made the universe. Needless to say, I understand it. Why cant you give me the benefit of the doubt? Just because im not a good writer does not mean that I do not understand it. The only reason I copy-pasted it was because I am not a writer. As such, I would probably just confuse you guys about what im trying to say.

I only posted one article. If you want me to put it my own words, it would be saying the exact same thing, so why not quote this? Plus, I wouldn't get it across nearly as effectively as this does. I merely want to know what you think about it. Right now it only seems as if your stalling...

But you have no answer for my post do you? It all makes complete sense to me. Why, if you can see error in the reasoning here, cant you clearly state why what I quoted was wrong?

Im just going to copy-past this page: And here is the page.

Well, if you read back a few pages, there are some pretty good proofs that Evolution is false and that there is a God...

7/10 interesting..

...does it matter that we are getting nowhere...? And i do think most of us are being pretty dang civil...

Doesn't mean we cant discuss this civilly...

I did... But what does this prove? nothing....

Do I hear an echo in here?

I think someone requested the link to the gun control topic... well here it is... but its kinda dead...

...absolutely none of this proves creation or evolution and is literally just insulting Christians. EDIT: Question: do you see any Christians calling people names because of what they believe?

I didnt say there was no conflict... my point was that back then, people didnt have an excuse for the way they acted. Now, with evolution, they do...

What he is saying is your logic is faulty...

Way to insult creationists...

Answer 1: Your probably right. Answer 2:What you just said makes no sense. Answer 3: Explain please. Answer 4: Irrelevant.

Im just saying its a side effect... if we are just smart animals, then we should be able to get away with anything, because, hey! there is no punishment after death! Before evolution Christianity was the norm. People had morals. After evolution, people could get away with anything...

I think what you are trying to say is that Evolution makes for no morals. And I think you are right in that...