Rassidic

While Im not part of it, I think it's silly to have such a ego, especially facing one of the kingdoms that has caused the most upsets in battle in lotc history. Never count the Humans out of the fight lol. They are stubborn and deceptive.

But they've never came up against odds like these... with the dwarves /and/ orcs in full swing , I honestly think Oren are going to lose.

And that's ok. You can think that they are gunna lose all you want lol. That doesn't mean they would submit to you, just because you believe they will lose. They, as a race, are stubborn and egotistical. Even if they thought they would lose, which I doubt they do, they wouldn't surrender. Let's see how things pan out.