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I need a fossil, that is more than just a few bones, that can unmistakeably be called a neanderthal. No, but i need more than just one tooth.

Well I still need some evidence. Some rock solid evidence...

Better get yer sharpened carrots out... were goin to war!

I understand that, but i have heard stories of people claiming that they found the remains of an intermediate species, when they only found one tooth... not enough by far to call proof...

Those bones that people claim to have been the intermediate species between apes and humans are half completed. Give me one that is mostly completed, then we will talk... My point is the majority of fossils we find should be intermediate species, because there obviously would be more of them... You tracking?

I understad what you mean about when one intermediate species is found, two more intermediate species have to be found as well(sorry about the confusing wordage here...), but i dont know of any confirmed intermediate species at all. Plus, if evolution were true, the rock beneith us would be ripe with new species, even if they are just small imprints of them, we should be finding more. According to the big bang theory, 2 particles of "dust"(please correct me if i`m wrong) collided in such a way that both were melded together, causing a chemical reaction and thus the beginning of the universe. But where did those two particles of "dust" come from? There has to be a Prime mover in all things, but these, according to science have no prime mover. What is the answer to this?

I agree with Cow... let us continue!

Thats not how i found it... i google something like most complex protein needed for life, or something... it wasnt that, but i cant remember right now... Billions of animals would have been born and died during 4.5 billion years. at least 3/4th of them would be intermediate species. Some of these would be fossilized. Some still would be in the layer of rock we have looked in. My point is we should have found thousands by now! imagine how many volcanoes erupt in 4.5 billion years! A lot! which means a lot of fossils, yet none are to be seen. I can do more research tomorrow, but right now, ill leave it at that.

well err... i suppose i agree with you... a perfect orderly universe would be one solid mass of energy... i dont see why not... i have a few questions for you first: How do you explain the lack of intermediate species within the fossil record? according to Darwin, Evolution would be a continuous process, meaning we should see a lot more fossils. The second question is really just off topic, but hey, why not?: Do you believe in the Big Bang theory?

Im really not talking about DNA, but rather protein, which is a key factor in life, as there can not be life without it... How would I characterize order in energy aspects...? ...not quite sure what your asking here... care to explain some more...?

Yes! That`s exactly how it is! In your example the 6th one would be the wrong amino acid, right? Well it would still attach to the other amino acids, thus making the whole string useless! Why does this not make sense to you? So then your saying that the definition of the second law of thermodynamics and entropy given in high school is wrong?

Jake Harminski looks at the poster and thinks for a moment. He then writes up a quick application and leaves it beneath the poster...

3/10 i have seen you around... but not often...

I made my first characters mother die during childbirth and my father a drunk. He then abandoned me and my uncle took over...

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Nuttin wrong wid dat. No, in heaven, you just worship God... i think... until the new earth comes... i could be very wrong about this... And yes, Mormonism is a spin off of Christianity, but is clearly heresy and most Christians don't like to be associated with them... Here is a link: http://www.rae.org/pdf/revev6.pdf it has a bunch of stuff in it concerning why evolution cant happen... and the stuff i said... this is a link for you too jistuma... I know bacteria is life... i just never heard that they actually found any...

Of coarse the Bible isnt "updated" to modern standards. Truth is true no matter how long it stays around. They think that they become gods when they die.... and that all black people are evil... if you read the Bible you would see that it is clearly not Christian... Scientists all agree that at least 200 proteins must be present in to create the simplest life form. So it would take much longer to get all of those in one place, if they could be made at all... Life on another planet... either you have been watching too many si-fi movies or i missed something here... probably the latter... but that still doesn't do anything to harm my theory... You wish to check my math? well you saw how i got the chance of that one protein needed, right? 1 in 20 times 1 in 20 times 1 in 20 and so on 126 more times comes to 20^126 or 8.507059e+163. Now for the femtosecond stuff. One femtosecond is 10^-15 of a second. He said that there were 9000 collisions each femtosecond, so im using that number. Anyway, that would be 9000*10^15, which makes 9e+18. thats how many collisions are in one second. multiply that be 60, you get 5.4e+20. Multiply yet another 60 and you get 3.24e+22. This is now the number of collisions in one hour. multiply it be 24 and you get 7.776e+23. multiply by 365(im doing leap years and thus giving you guys some extra days on the end, which in the end result makes it more likely to happen, but hey, wouldnt want to go the other way around and have you guys say i cheated the numbers in my favor...) you get 2.83824e+26. then multiply by 4.5 billion years. This gives you 1.277208e+36. now to find the chance. 8.507059e+163/1.277208e+36 which gives you my previous answer. Yes they form inside us every single second, but not by random chance! The cell are reproducing, creating these proteins, and thus by no means is it random. I am talking about the very beginning of life, not right in the middle. So my argument is still valid. The second law of thermodynamics states that absolute entropy(chaos, basically) never decreases. But if evolution were to have really happened, then something chaotic, the molecules that formed that first life form, turned into something else less chaotic, the life form itself, which is impossible according to the second law of thermodynamics.

your basically right...

Yeah, well spontaneous generation was once a theory as well, and has since been proved wrong. And i still find much evidence against evolution and am thus still calling it a hypothesis...seeing as how something can only be a theory if there is no evidence against it... you know what, my calculations were wrong. I did some more research and i came up with the chance: 1 in 10^29345. In other words, that number would fill over 80 pages of digits. This is not to get that one protein, but rather everything needed to create life, including all the proteins and the chances of these proteins of being colliding in just the right way to produce life. It is also taking into consideration the temperature and such. So i think this negates what your saying.... if i`m reading it correctly... First off: I really dont know what you mean by saying most people in Europe have become atheist/agnostic because they follow Catholicism or Evangelism... sooo.... yeah.... Oh yeah and Mormons aren't Christian`s... As for the femtosecond stuff, wrong! I just did some calculations, and according to math, the following is the probability of life being generated in 4.5 billion years: 1 in 150135100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 And this is using my earlier 20^128 statement, when it is actually 10^29345. So yeah. Plus scientists say that 1 in 10^50 is technically impossible... so yeah... statistics don't lie...

Im talking spiritually.... Ill get to oscars answer after i get back from going cross country skiing...

Yeah, they are. We have grown fat in our wealth, and they often times have more faith than we do. Other than that, no, they aren't much different... EDIT: Ok, so how about this: The simplest protein of life, the Ribonuclease. There are 124 amino in the protein. There are also 20 different types of amino acids. The first Amino acid needed to form this protein is abbreviated "Lys". The next one needed is "Glu" The chances of bothe of these connecting are 1 in 20 times 1 in 20, or 1 in 400. The next one needed is "Thr". The chances of these three being attached to each other in the right order are 1 in 20 times 1 in 20 times 1 in 20, or 1 in 8000. Continue this math until all of the 128 amino acids have been attatched in the correct order, the chance of this happening randomly is: 1 in 34028240000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 approximately. In my books that counts as impossible. And this is the simplest protein needed to for life to exist. There are some with over 10,000 amino acids... i could have put the chance for that down, but i think you get the point...

I understand DNA is not information, but rather stores the information necessary to create an organism. ...Yes i understand what information is... im not a 5 year old... Im a 6 year old. BIG difference! lol jk. I think i am begining to understand what you are saying. I still by no means believe in the hypothesis of evolution, i understand where you are coming from. I cant type up much more tonight, mostly because its almost midnight, i will throw another obstacle in the path of evolution tomorrow afternoon...

I do not agree that mutations bring good change. My point to this whole escapade is that if evolution is the result of mutations then how do we get that other 2 percent of DNA that apes dont have, to get to humans? You answered this saying mutations add DNA, but in reality, they dont. An offspring is the combination of the DNA of both the father and the mother. The father ape does not have any of that other 2 percent of DNA. Neither does the mother. When they breed to have the offspring, if a mutation occurs, One of the following will happen: 1) a chromosome is deleted in the process, which does not result in any new information, 2) a chromosome is duplicated, which still doesn't result in any new information, 3) a chromosome is reversed, which just jumbles up the "code", still no new information is produced, 4) a chromosome is inserted/trans-located(they both seem the same to me...), meaning it is moved into an entirely new place, still no new information is added. No amount of that 2 percent of DNA difference has come from any of those... I don't think either of us are getting anywhere in this topic...

Fine.I guess i have my terms wrong. But give me one example of mutation of anything that actually added DNA. Thats my point here. It never adds the DNA necessary to make evolution possible. It mixes it around, but never with any good results. You talk about adapting. Then you talk about mutations. Mutations are random. Adapting inst. So which one is it?