JuniperSelkie

Oh hey my name is in here. Beautiful, as always Tox~ Stars are good, magic is good. So starmagic  must be twice as good

Local ginger plots to get a job.

gizzuh warp carts

I love it~ I tried to write a sea magic myself, it fell pretty flat. But this seems much more organized. My only real concern is that, while the power stems from parts of Dresdrasil and her essence and whatnot, it still becomes toxic and harmful for native sea life. I feel like being toxic to sea life kind of takes a few steps away from Dresdrasil’s nature, given that all sea life came from her. Other than that, looks fantastic to me!

Mmm magical disconnection from a CA without requiring any actual reasons. Totally won't be abused, especially since two factions of Azdrazi can't stand each other. Hmm. Definitely a good idea.

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I posted my lore 6 months ago. It's been a mess too. It can be extremely frustrating to have to go through 4 different people just to find out that your lore WAS reviewed but no results were ever made available.

MCName: JuniperSelkie

RPName: Valmir Taliame'onn (Gladiolus)

Character Race: wood elf

Nation: Irrinor

Name: Gladiolus Taliame’onn

Race: Mali’ame

((MC NAME: Juniperselkie))

((Timezone: Central))

Gladiolus peers at a copy of the  missive delivered to his family. "....soooooo why is everyone we're allies to completely crazy?" He asks his maln, who is also completely crazy.

Gladiolus, however, DOES receive a missive and a painting.

“I’m skilled at cooking and cleaning!” Gladiolus announces. “I’m an adorable 5’3” Mali’ame.”

Profession system plz. ❤️

I hope this passes! I always thought the Azdrazi were cool

An elven priest takes a sip of brandy after reading the notice. “I wonder how Haelun’or manages to spread these wretched notes all over the continent so quickly. No wonder they never advance towards anything, they’re too busy copying notes about how they dislike each other.” He takes another sip. “...this really is quite good. I think I’ll have a second glass.”

I see you too have had the misfortune of meeting a blue elf.

@Aethling

And PLEASE do. Don't forget the height redlines! End the plague of endless 7 foot tall wood elf freaks. Bring back the short boys!

Funnily enough i was just brainstorming up something else made of sneeple! The more the merrier!

Sweet, the patron deity of the Dwarves

@Tennallar

I made a bunch of edits and such using the recommendations and feedback that you left last time! Hopefully this version makes more sense.

3 minutes ago, Jentos said:

You dont need lore to praise an entity. Weird **** happens in the sea? “huh i read this thing about this unfathomable creature of the depths, why dont we make a shrine y’know????????” 

You might not need lore to praise an entity, but it certainly helps. If I simply wanted to praise some non-existent creature of the fathoms, I would hardly have expanded on her original lore.

Likewise, her having fleshed out lore shouldn’t influence your in character reactions regarding her, whether it’s one paragraph, or a proper lore post. If your character is terrified of ancient sea entities, they should be afraid of her wither you oocly know things about her or not.

6 minutes ago, Jentos said:

Yeah no, leave this as it is. No need to ruin something by explaining it. The fear of the unknown is much more powerful, and to reduce an entity to this lore piece would be... Detrimental.

As much as I would like to do that, given new lore guidelines, and the widespread shelving of lore due to the lore games, I don’t believe that is a possibility. Deific entities have a very clearly defined format they are now required to adhere to from a lore writing standpoint. A simple paragraph stating that she exists isn’t enough anymore.

2 minutes ago, Tennallar said:

What I’m querying with the Aspects is not that they now have some sway over them. What I’m querying is that Dresdrasil, a great and powerful daemon, is asking nicely for the Aspects to look after her children. If you’re a mother, totally enraptured with the thought of protecting your children, you never ask for anything. You make it happen, because these are your babies, and they will be treated well, they will be looked after.

 

EDIT: And on top of that, surely, being amongst them in the waters herself, she has no good reason to ask the Aspects for anything? What need has she of the Aspects help? She is with her children. She is all the protection they could ever need.

 

You can use whatever would help you, of course.

Thank you! I’ll start working on improving this tonight.

4 minutes ago, Tennallar said:

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Thank you! That’s a lot of stuff that’s actually very helpful. You’re definitely right about the city. I hadn’t thought about that. Reclarifying her reasoning for her descent is also a great idea.

As for the request aimed at the Aspects, given that Dresdrasil created sea life, but the druids can commune with the majority of it. I felt it was prudent to provide a lore reason for why that is so, why the Aspects hold sway over something belonging to another deity.

May I utilize some of the ideas you’ve noted here?

25 minutes ago, Tennallar said:

Our argument is not that what you have created is illogical or wrong. Sure, you can take Dresdrasil, and through writing up more background for her you can finangle her into just about any hole you want. Just as you can with any deity. Neither my nor Dingo’s criticism was that you’ve created something that doesn’t make sense – it’s just that what you’ve created, isn’t really the original vision for Dresdrasil. In fact, it’s so far outside of what was intended for her, that it may as well not be her at all. You have, as Dingo said, humanised her, when she was never intended to be human.

Im still having a hard time grasping the "humanizing" aspect. Perhaps you can explain in greater detail? Is it the pictures? Her desire to safeguard her children? I would like more information so I can improve the post.

@ThatGuy_777 @ScreamingDingo @Tennallar

Again, I appreciate hearing feedback from people. I hear what you are suggesting and would like to show you were I'm getting my ideas from and why I've written my piece this way. If you will please turn your attention to the lore post for the Old Ones [Daemons], I'll address the majority of the concerns you've all brought up so far. So, the Old Ones lore was the piece the Xionists had to justify the existence of these deities. And in the introduction section, it notes that the Xionists mistakenly thought they were not Daemons. Throughout LOTC lore, Aenguels and Daemons have pushed their agendas onto the world, some of which take temporary physical form to do so. There are also records of such beings getting "stuck" in mortal forms because they forget how to return to their homes. Despite dwelling in mortal form, they still retain a much larger level of power than any mortal creature normally would.

So while she was a symbol of Xionism, and they saw her as some sort of eldritch beasty, it was always lore that they were misclassifying her, and knew almost nothing about her. Hence why I ended up drawing my own conclusions about a mother goddess figure that threw herself from the heavens to be with her children. My thought process was: “ok, so she gave up her status as daemon of abundance because she loved her creations so much. ok, so since she gave that up to be with them, her children and their happiness is likely her first priority. So she wants them to be safe, happy, wants to keep their environment healthy for them, etc”. If you have suggestions for alternative motives, I am all ears.

Moving on to Dresdrasil's section, it is noted in the second sentence that she literally produced all sea life, as well as the monsters that dwell within it. This means that even anglerfish were made by her. I FULLY support a longstanding rivalry between Dresdrasil and Nemiisae, one constantly creating new life, the other trying to end it. It creates a more interesting dynamic, even if it does become a bit strange, a child of both Dresdrasil and the Aspects, torn between trying to do her duty by overthrowing her progenitor, or by serving her.
 

Regarding the qualm about Dresdrasil communicating through dreams, that was also an original staple of her lore, noted in the third paragraph of the section on the Nature of the old ones. The exact quote is thus: "If there is any relation of higher power among the Old Ones, it is their uncanny ability to commune with mortals through dreams and visions."

I believe that addresses almost all of the concerns that have been stated. I fully understand the desire for her to be more "alien" or "mysterious" but mystery is quite difficult to retain while fleshing out the lore for a deity, especially given the new lore formats, which have many required fields. However, if anyone would like to give me suggestions on how I can do that, I'm all for it. Constructive criticism is, after all, the reason that these forums can be viewed publicly.