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you want to know something. all the **** that orener and welves do revolving around target banning and do **** rp to make it lokk like they are in the right just to have people banned that stand against them is why this server is going inactive, why people dont come back. in my opinion both groups are whiners and complainers and if they dont get their way they whine and complain making so bad that they always get their way. im to the point of giving up because all of this is making this server not fun anymore. these kids need to look at how they play and realiize they are in the wrong for once and get the server back to what its suppose to be like seriously.
((its recently been all about those groups but there are other groups that do it too