The Haruka Clan

[Watyll 1104]

Well said, do you mind changing the font? I know it might be selfish but...I can't memorize the lore on my iPod with that font.

[V0idsoldier 1139]

Well said, do you mind changing the font? I know it might be selfish but...I can't memorize the lore on my iPod with that font.

Send it to you in pms.

[Watyll 1104]

Thanks

[Megacomet 25]

You know, this is a really good concept. From how it looks, it can bring some very interesting new role-playing scenarios onto the server. I also like how it introduces a new style of fighting, too. The mix of unarmed combat and a new hybrid brand of magic, "chi", is really original from the usual choice of sword, bow, or magic. Speaking of how "chi" is a new brand of magic, you might want to go over it with some people from the magic team Sagwort or Blundermore, seeing that I'm pretty sure you can't simply introduce a new kind of magic without their approval. Not to mention, talking with them could have some other benefits, such as some additional development to the lore, improvement on the way it will be used and taught, and so on. Otherwise, it's very well thought through, and you can bet I'm going to join!

(Edit: I looked through some of the previous replies, and found out that someone already is running this by the magic team.)

[Blundermore 2741]

Ah yes... Someone has finally come to doing this, now the ball falls into my religious court finally, away from the norms of Christianity or Islam, the state of mind and mental process known as Chi. If you are going to do this... You might as well know what chi is.

Funnily enough, I teach magic and existence In the path of chi, chi being balance, to find one's neutral point beyond all else. To come to terms with their existence and the grand scheme of things.

Chi is a life energy that affects our world, the yinyang symbol symbolises light and dark chi in unity. For good and evil are in fact needed in both forms to achieve stable life. Chi is our energy within the world. It is understanding and emotions, senses and that we are all one.

Funnily enough, the ascended follow a practice a lot like chi and their beliefs, though be it that it has many Christian backings behind it it is still very noticeable. I mean even the sages wheel is copying the Buddhist symbol.

Chi is not magic in sense, it is understanding and knowledge. Some find it through martial skill, some through deep meditation and contemplation and others from just experiencing the world in all of its' forms.

If you do use the concept of chi, please, I would ask you do not butcher my beliefs, I have given you all the good grace of not butchering Christianity or Islam to my own ends. Please do not do such to mine.

[V0idsoldier 1139]

Ah yes... Someone has finally come to doing this, now the ball falls into my religious court finally, away from the norms of Christianity or Islam, the state of mind and mental process known as Chi. If you are going to do this... You might as well know what chi is.

Funnily enough, I teach magic and existence In the path of chi, chi being balance, to find one's neutral point beyond all else. To come to terms with their existence and the grand scheme of things.

Chi is a life energy that affects our world, the yinyang symbol symbolises light and dark chi in unity. For good and evil are in fact needed in both forms to achieve stable life. Chi is our energy within the world. It is understanding and emotions, senses and that we are all one.

Funnily enough, the ascended follow a practice a lot like chi and their beliefs, though be it that it has many Christian backings behind it it is still very noticeable. I mean even the sages wheel is copying the Buddhist symbol.

Chi is not magic in sense, it is understanding and knowledge. Some find it through martial skill, some through deep meditation and contemplation and others from just experiencing the world in all of its' forms.

If you do use the concept of chi, please, I would ask you do not butcher my beliefs, I have given you all the good grace of not butchering Christianity or Islam to my own ends. Please do not do such to mine.

... As stated /Countless/ times throughout our posts, our lore, everything, we are NOT taking the single idea and only using that, rather, we are taking /several/ ideas, forming them together, and calling it Chi when in fact it is something different and the same, at the same time. You need to understand that we are not trying to go only with the real life concept of chi, but also that we are using multiple methods, most of which fantasy to make this. We decided upon the name Chi, though if it truly... for some reason... irks you that much, we can change it.

This is not meant to offend anyone, most of our basis comes from the popular anime, Naruto, and Avatar, using their systems, whilst also combing it with fantastical, and fake, lore. This is a configuration of many styles both fake and real, so please do not take any of this negatively if our lore does not follow what you believe, it is in fact original lore, just with a real life term and name.

[Blundermore 2741]

Drop the name then, period. I do not turn your gospels upside-down and claim it anew simply because I added in some colours and lights. Naruto is offensive to me to say the least because it did what you are doing. It took a concept it had little understanding of and twisted it into a corporate children's program. At least avatar didn't try to take symbols meanings and concepts and twist them into their own means. They made up their own version and only took glancing looks at the real thing.

To worse, you mean to copy monks of my kind, right down to fighting styles and all. I bet you even had architecture and skins that looked like them as well planned. Well... It just so happens we are not a minority, I will not stand by whilst you do this without at least either conforming to the proper way or dropping all but the hints to it. I'm sick of seeing such things as "kun Fu panda" and "naruto" who take the concept and then rape it for what it is worth.

Chi is not magic. And I will not tolerate such, not as a "magic team" leader, or even as blundermore, but as me, a person, with my way, my beliefs.

It is either all, or little.

[V0idsoldier 1139]

I think your reading a little too far, rather way, WAY, too far, between the lines blundermore, and you need to calm down before you incite a rage and flame war due to your beliefs. I have done nothing on a personal level to insult you, and in this fact you need to keep your generally aggressive, and rude posts away from here. I can understand what you are saying, but frankly this is not fair in the slightest. You cannot expect me to sit here and follow, word by word, what Chi is. We have our own ways, our own meaning. If you cannot appreciate that fact, that is fine, but you need to realize that none of this is a insult to you or your beliefs, do not take it as such for that is how wars are waged, and I don't want a war with you.

If it truly hurts you /this/ much, despite how it shouldn't, I will change the name. We DO have architecture akin to feudal japan, and do adorn robes such as those of monks, though that has nothing to do with this argument. Frankly, I think you need time to think and calm down. I have nothing else to say.

Edit:

"Our lore comes from a variety of places, ranging from feudal japan and monk monasteries, to even fantasy novels and such, through a combination of both real life techniques and a flair of fantasy, our lore comes together and creates a strikingly original concept."

As stated, our lore comes from a lot of new places, not just one. More so, our concept is original in several ways.

[Blundermore 2741]

So that is it is it? So long as it pleases the masses it is fine?

Nothing is sacred anymore.

Edit: yep that's ok... Minus one the guy standing up for his faith... I'm a bad person for doing such of course.

[Watyll 1104]

Um, hey, I know I haven't been on this place long but I know this. Both of you might hate me for doing this but, I think there should be a compromise. We could change the name of Chi maybe? And modify the robes slightly? And Blundermore, you have done so much for the server, and I greatly respect that, but just let this be a sect of your Chi-based religion perhaps? But the sect would have no interaction whatsoever with your sect. In any case, I despise flame wars, especially among two great people who should be working together.

You may start hating me now.

[Blundermore 2741]

I have already asked him to change it to a better compromise than what is here at the moment. Chi is not magic and is considered like... Well imagine if someone took the name Ramadan which is a festival in the islamic world, then twisted that into something still like it but with concepts that go completely against it as well. Well that is what it is like here, a name of an entire concept is effectively being stolen and rebraneded into something still like it but horrible in concept when compared to the real thing.

I'm also bringing up the issue of the building styles and clothes because it is stero typical and could be considered racist as well as offending to religion. He is trying to rebrand something that already exists into something it is not. And I don't see why I should be quiet about it. I'm not angry in the slighest because if I was you would know about it. And neither am I against this idea, it is just you are taking concepts and names you don't understand and twisting it into something it is not.

It is like saying Easter is a celebration of the dead. Of course it isn't but that is what it is like.

[Archmage_Cataris 622]

This is a Fantasy World, Blundermore, this is not the real world, things will be different.

[V0idsoldier 1139]

Um, hey, I know I haven't been on this place long but I know this. Both of you might hate me for doing this but, I think there should be a compromise. We could change the name of Chi maybe? And modify the robes slightly? And Blundermore, you have done so much for the server, and I greatly respect that, but just let this be a sect of your Chi-based religion perhaps? But the sect would have no interaction whatsoever with your sect. In any case, I despise flame wars, especially among two great people who should be working together.

You may start hating me now.

Hamin, First, I have no intention on hating, even if hated on, and especially not to you, for all your doing is seeking to help. Secondly, I refuse to bend and press under the weight of someone else, even to feel threatened due to his status as magic team leader, I will not stand for it, and though I do not want to make /anyone/ uncomfortable, as stated I don't wish to fell pushed around and threatened. Thirdly, I truly doubt he has any Chi religion in game, and if so I refuse to become a part of it, as we have spent all this time coming up with our own, unique, original lore.

Blundermore, you cannot, I repeat, cannot do what you are doing here. EVERYTHING on this server, is based on real life culture, stolen and twisted, so for you to sit here and say that what we are doing is racist is just... er... crazy? Insane? Whichever word you think fits better. I applaud you for your criticism, and would have done so, though for you to persist in this manner is ridiculous, and is making me think, if this is being done to all other cultures in game, why is it wrong for me?

Renatus is basing itself off of mid-evil Europe, what is wrong with me basing this off feudal Japan and her beliefs? How is this racism? This should be considered nothing like that, rather as praise and support to the culture. As said, you are reading this wrong and severely over reacting with things you shouldn't be. Once more, tone it down. Nothing is being stolen here, aside from somewhat a name, but I believe our concept is close enough and resembling it enough to use such a name. Sure, you may be more of a expert, though I cant say I know if you are, but even if you are that gives you no more of a say in this matter than me.

Further more, for you to flaunt your status as magic team leader in a almost threatening way, as if by not conforming and bending to your every will we will be denied and not be able to rp this, is VERY unfair to both myself, and the others who have worked on this. Do not abuse your status as magic team leader to make others conform to your will and beliefs, THAT, is wrong, not what I am doing. If no one has a problem with stealing ideas from mid-evil Europe, why should people with me taking ideas from Feudal Japan?

[Blundermore 2741]

I have not once use my status asagic team leader to force your hand. I speak as my own person for my own beliefs. Itay be a fantasy world but there are still limits in terms of what you can do because in the end, yes it is a game... But games are also meant to be fun for everyone... I don't see how I can enjoy this game

Knowing what is happening to my beliefs here.

You claim I flaunt and use my powers? If I was to truly state such I would just say no to the system entirely. Claimed your magic lore void from the very first instant. But no... I didn't, I said chi is not magic, not "I'm not accepting your magic". Because believe it or not, you are extremely misinformed in how I work in every way period. My work would be to go and present this to the other members and let them decide first based on what they think. And seeing hoe each has their own very unique view points I can trust them to not be biased, and if one is then the others will balance throat out with a different take on things.

I have never saddled the high horse, as I do not own a stable, do not treat me otherwise. I'm speaking for my own personal reasons, nothing more.

[V0idsoldier 1139]

Chi is not magic. And I will not tolerate such, not as a "magic team" leader, or even as blundermore, but as me, a person, with my way, my beliefs.

It is either all, or little.

This, to me, sounds like you are flaunting your power just a teensy little bit. As I said, I want no war with you, but you also ignored several, countless points in my post. As I said, everything about this server is based on something else, everything. Renatus is based on mid-evil Europe and her beliefs, so why, /why/ cant I base something off of Feudal Japan and her beliefs? Why cant I take inspiration from something, WITHOUT, fully copying it? If I fully copied it, that would give you reason to be mad, as that is just pathetic and never should happen, but I didn't, I went out of my way, we went out of our way, to research, study, plan, type out, brainstorm and more to make this original, and then, you criticize me being original.

Why, WHY, does it have to be either

things as "kun Fu panda" and "naruto" who take the concept and then rape it for what it is worth.

Chi is not magic. And I will not tolerate such, not as a "magic team" leader, or even as blundermore, but as me, a person, with my way, my beliefs.

It is either all, or little.

? Why cant it simply be, a little bit of that lore, a little bit of fantasy lore, a little bit of our own flair? Please answer this question.

Forgive me if I am misinterpreting you, but honestly, I don't want to intrude upon your beliefs, but as Cataris said, it is a game, this is our story, our lore, how you cannot appreciate originality is odd to me, for I am combing many ideas and putting in my own, is that not what originality is?