LPT

Perhaps I have been absent or oblivious to the dupers of other nations which is highly possible. I do go for large periods of leave however I have seen more dupers come from the Dwarven nation than any other. It is possible that humans have done it, and Orcs , but even if they did it just as much as dwarves the conversation is about Alc fire, not who dupes the most.

How can we, the public eye know this for sure when so much corruption has happened in the past under dwarven leaders. I'd love to believe that Skippy, and all of the dwarves have seriously made sure all of the duped items are gone, but it's hard to given the history.

Elysium: Hiebe has BS fire axe given by GMs, Orcs take it in battle, and lose it form their inventory just to see once more Hiebe has it again.

Anthos: Diamonds are hidden under dwarven keep, diamonds are not on the map most dupers get lengthy punishments (Gj LoTC) 

Anthos: Potions of invisibility are used during Ugluk for siege, Dwarven GMs allow it and even give the potions, no one else, Dwarves win the siege with the help of them

This map: Duped Alk fire, gms are "Sure they've got all of it" 

I could even include Niccum's nation which was involved with weightless armour issues because Niccum is a prominent Dwarf at the moment, but it wasn't for the dwarves so I'll leave that to your dicression. What I am saying is it is bad eggs that do it just like bad eggs from all sides who hack, but the key difference is none of Oren's leaders support hackers, but very prominent Dwarves almost always seem to support or do the "Bad egg" stuff

All I'm saying is this isn't the first time dwarves have gotten tricky with dupped stuff. It's hard to believe the dwarves will play fair when over and over again they don't play fair and as such I would not be supprised if some of the Alk fire got hidden in some deep chests away from non pocket GM's eyes. Also having someone banned doesn't mean you've gotten rid of everything they've done and t w o w e  e k s is not even a long enough punishment for the malicious of an intent. That sounds like a 2 month worthy kind of offense to me.

It's not difficult to make if it's dupped. And don't even try to say all of it is gone, almost every map the dwarves do something tricky with dupped stuff and get away with it almost every time unless they dupe diamonds on a diamond free map.

My choice of words is funny when I say this due to the nature of your complaining but you can't fight fire with fire. That stuff is unbalanced too, and has been used by Dorf side just as much as humans, but that still doesn't mean we cant balance things that need to be balanced. I hope the next patch finds a proper balance for all items but alk fire nerf is a step in the right direction

@Oodles Wouldn't want a balanced item... amirite?

@Whimsylicious IT's not borken?

Horen V could be interesting. It seems like if he stayed so much would be different with Oren.

Pugsy