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Pocket Mod - People should not be allowed to call over friends and people beholden to their characters over to do personal modding for them in CRP and other such situations.
Policies should really be written up for moderation. Where mods recuse themselves from situations involving friends or ppl that they have chars learning magic from. Where situations are actually investigated properly, and where a small private forum can be created for the accused to give their own evidence. Right now, if mods think you're guilty and you have evidence to the contrary or no way to prove you didn't send a discord message, you're banned and you just have to eat it.
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Considering the situation IS more unusual than powergaming pugsying (because, frankly, no ones mentioned anyone being downed/popped over this) then yes it merits a little more brain power to figure out the details rather than leaping to assumptions but nothing like a so-called 'full interview'.
Its not strange or unusual for an odd situation to merit a slightly closer look. That's just common sense. A close look which, mind you, is quite literally just going 'explain yourself' and presenting the space to do so. That's kind of it.
Ticket systems are entirely optional and just a way to standardise but this can easily be done through /msg and dumping images in imagur to link.
Now, in the cases of PG or pugsying you quite literally just stamp them as breaking the rules. Your next step is basically just figuring out if it was rereciprocal. There might be a little communication in that, there might not be. Situation dependent.
So, yes. You can see certain stuff in the moment. There's also stuff you can't see in the moment. You only get to the other stuff by being willing to extend the slightest bit more effort beyond the bare minimum - and realistically it all just adds a few minutes to the resolution.
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hitting people from across the city seems just as cut and dry to me as pugsying. it seems just as absurd to me to assume that they were given admit kit that needs inspection instead of just banning them for something which otherwise is obviously a matter of hacking, yes.
how do i know the person pugsying DIDN'T have an admin sword? i don't. but that just shouldn't ******* matter lmao. the precedent that we need to run any ban by all admins first to make sure they didn't just give out some weird admin item to a random for no reason before punishment is served is ludicrous. why are gms now obligated to assume that's the case in advance for anything that /might/ be hacking? "hmm. this non-staff player's flying. let me run through his pex, his inventory, and consult a survey of staff to make sure this is actually a matter of hacking and not a matter of him being given an item he shouldn't have in the first place!"the idea is ludicrous. if someone is hacking or doing something that can only normally be enabled by a hacked client, they should be banned outright, and admins/the tech team shouldn't have access to nor freely give out items that confuse this. if this causes a false ban one time out of forty thousand and they can just dm staff on discord... i really don't think it requires a full rewrite of all staff operations.
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What seems cut and dry to you, personally, should not be the definition of good moderation. Because frankly - yes, it looks cut and dry if you just cant be bothered to think and then figure out 'how'd that happen?' But with a little thought even beyond that it should be apparent that the situation is unusual and fairly rare which should be an indicator that leaping to any conclusion is probably a bad idea and therefore another route is probably more appropriate.
Nobody's even said about running all bans across admins or a full rewrite of staff operations. TOS bans are run across admins which requires a unanimous decision - which is a horrible system. It only takes one biased party to block a deserved ban. It should be by majority at most. Having every ban run by them is entirely unnecessary and would probably only highlight that issue more.
There already are rules for moderation behind the scenes which may include a kind of policy. There are already things mods cannot do. Presumably, there is a minimum expected standard whether its written or verbal. OP is just putting out that there should be a policy which is also not unusual. I would, however, bet there probably is one already. I am not convinced if there is one that it is consistently applied, though.
Irregardless, without a dialogue you lose out on information. A quick question with the recent case would have been enough to reveal basically everything necessary, from where they got the stick to why they thought they were justified using it. It's just basic common sense and it isn't strenuous.
Frankly, there will always be false bans with or without an extra word in place. At the very least you can say you put in some effort which we should expect from the mods, rather than contributing to the somewhat testy faith that is held in the mods on this server anyway. The best mods on this server are willing to go a much longer mile than that but they are pretty peak.
Also, not sure what an admin pugsy sword has to do with this so im just going to give it my best go as an aside. Reminder, again, no one got pugsied. I can only assume this situation would involve somewhat getting bonked from max health (?) But with the implications here that one cannot tell if its a special sword or not, perhaps they were just low health. With the former, the same would theoretically apply as figuring out what happened because its unusual. With the second, you know no different so extra steps aren't required. Here, in this speculative scenario, we know an extra problem in the scenario and one cannot 'reverse engineer' pathway to find the magic item, as it were, if there was zero indication that the situation was odd. If there are indications somethings strange, that's when more attention is given. I.e. mods don't know the future and aren't psychic so no ones asking for excess work when it doesnt appear to be required because there are no indications of oddity.
