Lafthi Sylvari 12 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Greetings, As per the request of the High Prince, I have written up a proposed constitution to clarify some of our elven laws. Feedback in any form is always helpful. -Lafthi ((OOC: It didn't keep the format well when I coppy pasted :P )) The Constitution to the Holy Princedom of Malinor In order to create a holier union of all Dark, High and Wood Elves we do hereby swear to uphold this constitution of the Holy Princedom of Malinor to better and further govern and protect the Elves of Malinor. I. The High Council a. The High Council of Malinor will be made up of eight Princes/Princesses and one High Prince/Princess. b. Additionally, the heads of each branch of the High Prince’s cabinet also sit on the council, but as non-voting members. c. Laws can be proposed by any member of the council and must be seconded by an additional member of the council. The bill can then be debated on by the entire council. d. To be passed into Elven Law, a bill must receive >50%. e. A bill may be vetoed by the High Prince every two fortnights. (One in real life week.) To override a veto the council must pass with bill with a positive vote of >75%. f. In any vote the High Prince’s vote counts as two. II. Elections/ Impeachment/ Term Limits a. Any elf, regardless of sex, age, disability, etc. is eligible for promotion to the High Council. b. An elf is selected to the Council first by the selection of the High Prince. c. This elf may then speak before the council about why they should be voted into office. After such, the council votes. d. A positive vote of >60% and the nominee receives the appointment. e. Likewise, when the position of High Prince/Princess is open, the nominee must receive a positive vote of >60% to obtain the office. f. When a Prince/Princess is not fulfilling their duties as the High Council deems fit, a vote of no confidence may be taken. g. In order to be successful a vote of no confidence must receive >60% in favor of impeachment to succeed. h. Princes/Princesses as well as the High Prince/Princess shall hold their office as long as they deem fit, unless impeachment occurs. III. The Office of the High Prince/Princess a. The High Prince is the Head of Government, as well as state in the Holy Princedom of Malinor. b. The High Prince’s/Princess’s powers are as summarized: A Vote of two in council votes, appoints heads of the different branches of the High Elven Cabinet, presides over High Council meetings, has the power to banish elves, can declare martial law in a state emergency, and can banish elves with due cause. IV. The High Elven Cabinet a. The High Elven Cabinet is made up of the members of the heads of The Diplomatic Corps, The Wardens, The Branch of the Interior, The Branch of Justice, the Branch of the Outer lands, and the Order of the Druids. i. The Malinor Diplomatic Corps. Is Malinor’s eyes and ears of Aegis. They bring news of Aegis as well as represent Malinor to the other nations. ii. The Wardens are Malinor’s primary defense as well as offense. They defend Malinor as well as help her allies when summoned. iii. The Branch of The Interior deals with Laurelin itself. Elves of this branch have Laurelin’s best interest at heart and develop the city in the best possible way. iv. The Branch of Justice is made up of a few select judges appointed by the High Prince. They are the primary judges between Elves when problems arise. v. The Branch of the Outer lands are responsible for the defense as well as culmination of the Elven lands outside of Laurelin. The mayors of cities belong to the branch and elect their leader from among themselves. vi. The Order of the Druids is revered for knowledge in Malinor and is the main source of religion in Malinor. b. Any elf, regardless of station may be a member of any of the branches. In this case, Princes/Princesses may only be part of a branch as long as they are the head of it, citing a clash of interest otherwise. c. The Head of each Cabinet position is filled by the High Prince/Princess. After that positions under the Head are filled by the head of that branch. d. Each branch is able to recruit as many elves as they see fit to help with their work load. e. The High Elven Cabinet reports to the High Prince/Princess. While the High Elven Council can request for their help, their orders must come from the High Prince. f. A new branch of the High Elven Cabinet can be created with >60% approval from the High Elven Council. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petyr 485 Share Posted August 30, 2011 All looks swell except for this line: "Princes/Princesses as well as the High Prince/Princess shall hold their office as long as they deem fit, unless impeachment occurs." I believe that all offices, but in particular the office of High Prince/Princess, should have a set length of time. No matter how virtuous the person, no single being should be the head figure for an indefinite amount of time. It should be something that is passed from time to time. OOC: As we see in the real world, a leader without a term length is typically a bad idea. I am also of the opinion that, while Native is the man and a great leader, GM's should take less of an active role in politics, as a leader is someone who needs to be very present, as well as available to RP. Rarely do GM's have the free time that this requires, though Native seems to have done a fair job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarmaDelta 969 Share Posted August 30, 2011 All looks swell except for this line: "Princes/Princesses as well as the High Prince/Princess shall hold their office as long as they deem fit, unless impeachment occurs." I believe that all offices, but in particular the office of High Prince/Princess, should have a set length of time. No matter how virtuous the person, no single being should be the head figure for an indefinite amount of time. It should be something that is passed from time to time. OOC: As we see in the real world, a leader without a term length is typically a bad idea. I am also of the opinion that, while Native is the man and a great leader, GM's should take less of an active role in politics, as a leader is someone who needs to be very present, as well as available to RP. Rarely do GM's have the free time that this requires, though Native seems to have done a fair job. OOC: I agree with him here. I was talking to a prince in rp about this so wont go into that. All im saying is like maybe Naive moves on with his wife maybe havea couple of rp babies on the way :P. But yeah who knows I would like to think it would be a huge goodbye ceremony for anyone that leaves really so they know they are awesome. But its up to native so yeah I think it is atleast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiftnative 3103 Share Posted August 31, 2011 I suppose it's up to the elves, let's see what others have to say I wouldn't mind stepping down if someone was willing to take the responsibility, although much has calmed now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarmaDelta 969 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Native can you perhaps tell us the requirements of being a High Prince? If people think that you should not rule, which is not a bad thing, how are we to decide on the new high prince? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petyr 485 Share Posted August 31, 2011 And not trying to insult you at all, Native, everyone likes you and you've helped Malinor greatly. You are just usually quite busy, and I'd love a High Prince that did as much RPing as they did administrative work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarmaDelta 969 Share Posted August 31, 2011 OOC: I just signed up to be a prince now waiting on that. Yeah sometimes I know Native is busy and Native rps good and all but maybe some people might want a new ruler. Like have a poll on the forums about if we should keep Native or not. Im sure people will give honest opinions and at least he will be remembered for being such a great ruler. Ill make the post now and I will imply that people give honest opinions and not just say he is a great ruler and all I want them to put actual valid reasons here is the thing I mean to go by: (looks liek an app XD) IC name: Yay or Nay: Reason for (Yay or Nay) OOC Question: Did Native ever help you in any problems you had ooc wise? OOC Question: Is Native a good RP'r? Has Native ever treated you wrong in anyway let it be words or actions? (ddont know if it should be an ooc question :\) (this is still wip but here is the last one i thought of ill give the post some time and ill think things over)\ Who would you think would be a good High Prince? (then list of princes im sure native will give me a list :P) Yeah this is what the forum post will go by and I will not post it for awhile. Add anything if you wish :P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonEbs 1224 Share Posted August 31, 2011 I like the constitution. I think a good way to have the princes and princesses be elected would to have them serve two month terms. We should stagger the elections, like the US government. Have half run at the end of one month, half at the end of the next month. You would have people who want to be on the council run for a seat. The council of eight with the high prince would cast votes for the members they want on the council. After the votes are counted, the four with the most votes would become the princes. For the high prince, he should serve three month terms, and at the end the crret council would vote eithet for him/her or the opponent. In the case the wholevcouncil cannot make it, six council members, including the High Prince, can have the vote. Any less than six, and it will have to be postponed for one week. After the week, the descision will be up to the highprince, or if he is being elected, a judge will decide. With this policy, an eelection comittee may be necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toren Neminis 21 Share Posted August 31, 2011 This very well written, Rathriel. I approve of this proposed constitution as it will provide structure and guidelines within the Elven Government that others may refer to. As for a High Prince or High Princess ruling for an indefinite amount of time? I have no problem with this. I feel as though it would be silly to remove a High Prince or Princess from their seat at the head of the government simply because they have governed for "too long". It is not as though the constitution is suggesting a dictatorship, where there would be no change of power if the people were unhappy with the High Prince or High Princess, only a change of power when there is rebellion and revolution. The sovereign of Malinor, according to the constitution, may either step down from their office (because they tire of their duties or for whatever other reason) or be impeached by the Council because they are not performing and fulfilling the functions of their station effectively and adequately. Of all the nations in Aegis, Malinor has been the most stable and its people are content. While other kingdoms have changed sovereigns as many as three times over, we have had the luxury of having a kind, attentive and more than satisfactory High Prince. Should we not be joyous that our Sovereign-Prince does this good of a job? Why seek to disrupt this tranquility by suggesting that he step down from his office so that another may take over; someone that may possibly even bear the heavy burden very poorly. Yes, many people seek the glory of being a monarch, thinking they are fit to rule, and of those, I feel few are truly competent and prepared for the laborious duties governing a nation demands of them. I, Prince Toren of Malinor, stand behind High Prince Native through and through. No other will have my loyalty as Native has had mine. But if Native steps down, for he will never be forcibly removed from his office, I shall support the new High Prince or High Princess if I see them as an acceptable replacement for Native because my duty is also to the Holy Princedom of Malinor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarmaDelta 969 Share Posted August 31, 2011 I meant what i did as sort of a change. I for one like Native alot and he does his best with the people. But who knows. Some people may get tired. But it is still his decision or the peoples. And the us kind of government idea in my opinion u di not like. Aegis is supposed to go along the lines of medieval i believe and still things are made up. Its just an opinion but hey who knows. Also i feel like we are straying off topic. I dont know i just get that feeling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonEbs 1224 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Maybe we could use the idea for terms, but have no limit in place for how many terms they can run in a row. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lafthi Sylvari 12 Author Share Posted August 31, 2011 Prior to this porposed constitution we elves have had the most stable government in the world. The Dwarves have had a 4 different kings now, the humans 2 and the orcs 3. The Elves? 1. Why should we try to fix something that isn't broken? Furthermore, the Princes powers are expanding soon. With that they will have more responsibilities. It will be safe to safe that princes will eventually tire of this and move on. Again, Malinor has the most stable form of government is Aegis. I was asked to write this constitution simply because there were several parts we we're acting in the gray area of the law and no one knew what we could and could not do. This constitution is simply clarifying those positions. It was in no way meant to overturn the laws already set in place by the Wizard and Native. Why fix something that isn't broken? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarmaDelta 969 Share Posted September 1, 2011 ^ That just made me stop what i was doing. Now that you put it that way I do see that we do. Thanks for the information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2232 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Moved to the Great Library. It shall be sorted into appropriate category shortly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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