Pikel Boldshoulder 175 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Nice graphs. I still blame it on bad map design resulting in a dead feeling world. As a low traffic timezone user (Australian, though have lived in US, EU and AUS time zones so have experience with all LotC traffic times) I'm quite used to spending hours on LotC with player bases of 4-10 users logged in. Athera had it's problems, especially with plot management, but its size and straightforward layout far better suited LotC community. Athera with 5 players felt more alive than both Vailor and whatever this map is called with 100 users. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonslayerelf 654 Share Posted November 15, 2016 The problem is that young people don't have the maturity or, in most cases, the creativity to maintain, what would be considered on LoTC, a decent character and a good amount of activity. We should market this server for the more mature RPer, not someone who looks at this server and says 'HEY. RP. WHAT'S THIS.', joins for a day and then leaves because either they get flagged for the rules, overwhelmed by better rpers, can't find interesting lore that suits them, or don't fit well into one of the many niches created by LoTC. We need to advertise this to someone, not who plays Minecraft actively, but to someone who doesn't mind poring over pages upon pages of lore in order to create their perfect character. There are two kinds of characters that work well; Well and meaningfully thought out ones, or ones that you just set up with a personality and a backstory and go forth with. I, as an avid RPer, have noticed that we are focusing more on quanitity rather than quality, and while there are a few diamonds in the rough, the RP of many of our newer members are either powergamish, appalling, or just simply impractical, and while I encourage our members to help them on the wayward path to proper RP, I personally think the target we're advertising doesn't match the gory grimdark details of our lore and the more mature RP and experience we here at LoTC should claim to be our forte.Yes, I'm opinionated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medvekoma 2073 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Just now, Dragonslayerelf said: The problem is that young people don't have the maturity or, in most cases, the creativity to maintain, what would be considered on LoTC, a decent character and a good amount of activity. Learning to develop and maintain a decent character is best done over time, and as part of roleplay. If you close out those "below the margin", you'll never see them grow above it. EG, do you imply that all current "decent" roleplayers arrived with most if not all their roleplay knowledge to the server? Because I'd contest that with the claim that most arrived with little knowledge and learned in their first couple months, if not years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonslayerelf 654 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Just now, Medvekoma said: Learning to develop and maintain a decent character is best done over time, and as part of roleplay. If you close out those "below the margin", you'll never see them grow above it. EG, do you imply that all current "decent" roleplayers arrived with most if not all their roleplay knowledge to the server? Because I'd contest that with the claim that most arrived with little knowledge and learned in their first couple months, if not years. I personally arrived with little to no knowledge; Ask any W.Elf from the Sirame in Athera, and you'll hear 'wow he was noob'. My issue is that I applied three times, each with different backstories just because I wanted to tweak little things here, and at first I couldn't really find any lore except for the outdated wiki we had at the time. I'm not suggesting closing those below the margin, I'm suggesting making those below the margin work that extra bit to earn their keep. I understand that roleplaying is a process that takes a lot of time to master, but there should be obvious red flags when sorting through applications that I, myself, was flagged for back in the way. Including but not limited to Cliches my father was kiled by oren someday i hope to be famous i want to be an assasin i used to be famous like you, before i took an arrow to the knee The amount of lore necessary in an application has fallen WAY BELOW what it used to be in Athera - I see examples where they mention a city name and 'the isles of axios' and BAM! ACCEPTED! A more stringent '13+' filter. It should be, not 'yes' or 'no', but rather a few psychological questions that actually test one's maturity and also a little simulation of an RP scenario. This one smaller server I used to play on had an application process that involved actually responding to RP scenarios. This is a "mature" RP server. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Druid Ouity 1461 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Most people have known for a very long time that this map is god awful. If you want to fix the retention rate, start wtih having a map you can actually roleplay on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemontide331 1615 Share Posted November 17, 2016 On 11/15/2016 at 0:16 AM, Dragonslayerelf said: The problem is that young people don't have the maturity or, in most cases, the creativity to maintain, what would be considered on LoTC, a decent character and a good amount of activity. We should market this server for the more mature RPer, not someone who looks at this server and says 'HEY. RP. WHAT'S THIS.', joins for a day and then leaves because either they get flagged for the rules, overwhelmed by better rpers, can't find interesting lore that suits them, or don't fit well into one of the many niches created by LoTC. We need to advertise this to someone, not who plays Minecraft actively, but to someone who doesn't mind poring over pages upon pages of lore in order to create their perfect character. There are two kinds of characters that work well; Well and meaningfully thought out ones, or ones that you just set up with a personality and a backstory and go forth with. I, as an avid RPer, have noticed that we are focusing more on quanitity rather than quality, and while there are a few diamonds in the rough, the RP of many of our newer members are either powergamish, appalling, or just simply impractical, and while I encourage our members to help them on the wayward path to proper RP, I personally think the target we're advertising doesn't match the gory grimdark details of our lore and the more mature RP and experience we here at LoTC should claim to be our forte.Yes, I'm opinionated. lol i dont get it if youre looking for a mature playerbase what are you doing on minecraft. u cant market a minecraft server successfully for mature ppl its just not possible. big reason this server is so hard to pick up for noob young ppl is cuz every1 here is a grammar freak nd a 20y/old neck beard w/ their neckbeard cliques Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonslayerelf 654 Share Posted November 17, 2016 51 minutes ago, poland said: lol i dont get it if youre looking for a mature playerbase what are you doing on minecraft. u cant market a minecraft server successfully for mature ppl its just not possible. big reason this server is so hard to pick up for noob young ppl is cuz every1 here is a grammar freak nd a 20y/old neck beard w/ their neckbeard cliques Ask the admins, but I'm just saying, for what LOTC is, those are my expectations and opinions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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