Tlahto co Canahedo Nation Charter

[iris1612 1780]

1. What is the name of your nation / group? What kind of culture do they have? How long have they existed (in real-life time)? 

 

Tlahto co Canahedo

 

2. Do you already have land? If so, where is it? Please provide the names of any tiles or regions that you own.

 

ya we got it from the Orcs, it's in the Orc region

 

3. Please link any of your groups accepted charters below: 

 

 

i realize this was denied but it was only denied because we no longer had a need for it due to the complete lack of mod response for weeks on end. It would have been accepted had we not found another solution by the time admins could respond.

 

4. What are your goals for nation status? This can be anything- remember, this is a hidden sub-forum. Your intentions and goals will not be publicly known.

 

dude i just want to make a Kha nation. This race really sucks, people, including admins, continually talk about trying to remove it. All I want is for the Kharajyr to have an active and at least somewhat powerful homeland where kha can come and rp without people trying to skin them.

 

5. Approximately how many members are in your group? How many of them are actively playing? Be honest! If I were to visit your capital city on any given day and at any given time, how many people could I expect to see? How about during peak hours? And what about during the "dead" hours?

 

I have 21 people in my skype chat. I'd say about 17 of them are active Kha/Soulkha/nation players. Ideally on a good day you'd see about 20 people, but that's assuming we can attract people to it. I'm really hoping that once this is made people will play kha because they'll have a PLACE TO RP KHA as. I think the biggest issue we have right now is that would-be kha rpers have nowhere to rp in. But honestly? I don't know. In dead hours you might see 1 or 2 or none, or 5 or 10. I have no accurate way to guess.

 

6. Who will be leading your nation as nation lead / king / etc.?

 

me, the Tlahtoani

 

Extra note: I know I don't have very many people but Kha are stuck in a rut and to be frank, we have more players right now than we have in months, maybe years. It's not many, but this is the best way to boost activity. And to be honest? I can probably live if I don't get nation status. I'll work as an Orc vassal, try to build up activity and then get one there. But to get a nation status right of the bat would be HUGE, because it would allow me to make a subforum and to advertise my nation much more easily. Give me a chance, is all I'm asking. Sorry for any typos/confusing writing I'm out of town writing on mobile.

[cablam 477]

Hey there! Unfortunately at this time we're going to decline your nation application on the premise that the only benefit you'd be receiving from having a nation with the current location of your plot is a subforum named for you, even though there is a Kha Roleplay subforum already. If you were to remake this application and your plot of land was outside of the Orc Capital we'd almost certainly grant you fledgling nation status but as I've said prior you'd be getting little to no benefits from it currently. If you have any questions I encourage you to ask below and I'll answer them as soon as I can! 

[iris1612 1780]

Correct me if iI'm wrong, but the sole reason you've chosen to deny this is because it would not grant us any benefits besides having a subforum?

[cablam 477]

That and it would create conflict in terms of who owns the tile you currently reside on. Due to the fact that you live inside the Orc Capital the Orcs own the tile and part of becoming a nation is that you purchase the tile you're on. So if you were to become a nation when within the Orc's tile then who owns the tile? If not you then you're still under the Orcs and a nation application is not needed. I wouldn't want to have you pay 30,000 mina to become a nation without receiving any of the benefits other than a subforum from it.

[iris1612 1780]

Kharajyr have a subregion in the Orc land, and though it would be a vassal nation it would still be a nation. I don't believe there would be any confusion as the Kharajyr are vassals of the War Nation of Krugmar but still seeking nation status. Nations and Kingdoms can still be vassals of one another. I'd like to have the ability to use this 250x250 plot at a later date (and we will expand beyond the Orcs, our vassal contract is going to be renegotiated as is written in the contract). The subforum benefits would be really handy to use, as would the ability to prove our activity and move to gain permanent nation status.

Kharajyr have a subregion in the Orc land, and though it would be a vassal nation it would still be a nation. I don't believe there would be any confusion as the Kharajyr are vassals of the War Nation of Krugmar but still seeking nation status. Nations and Kingdoms can still be vassals of one another. I'd like to have the ability to use this 250x250 plot at a later date (and we will expand beyond the Orcs, our vassal contract is going to be renegotiated as is written in the contract). The subforum benefits would be really handy to use, as would the ability to prove our activity and move to gain permanent nation status.

[cablam 477]

You can already make your plot as big as the orcs will let you since they own the tile and can make any amount of regions of any size on it. Also I do believe the regular Kharajyr roleplay subforum could get the job done simply because your group will be the only ones posting on it. Once you look to expand outside the orcs and acquire land outside of at least the capital we can take a look at the nation application once again, but for now you will not be getting any of the benefits and you don't need nation status to accomplish your goals.

[iris1612 1780]

I respect your decision as a moderator so I won't argue past this point, but it seems from where I'm standing that your main reason for denying this is "you don't have anything to gain from it." And I have thought about this and looked over the benefits and decided with absolute certainty that me and my people could gain a LOT from it. I understand that you don't want to give out nation status to everyone but it does seem from what you're saying like we're qualified and if we are.. i don't like to be contentious and that's not my intent with this post but it would mean a lot to me and my players if you reconsidered

[cablam 477]

I'll take another look and get back to you in a day or two.

[iris1612 1780]

Thanks and I really appreciate it

[cablam 477]

So a couple of the charter team took another gander earlier today and we've decided to stand by the same response we gave you earlier. That being since your main settlement is right outside the Orc Capital and is the one you're trying to go to nationhood with we're going to deny it. However, separate from the Orcs and get a settlement at least outside of the capital and we can reconsider. The issue is that you won't be gaining anything outside of a subforum, although the current Kha subforum is basically already one for your nation and you can even get the Orcs to set one up for you guys in their subforum as you are vassals of them. If you wish to expand then you can do so through the Orc as well. If you have any further questions or concerns please do not hesitate to ask!

[iris1612 1780]

My only remaining question is, how should I go about getting a settlement. Isn't the whole point of the nation charter to give new natons a capital? What is the point of being given a 250x250 plot if we have to not only have a settlement, it has to be a settlement outside of any other nation? It seems bizarre to me that land is being offered but only to groups who already have land. How could I even obtain land outside of any other nation? Wouldn't that require me to already have nation status? 

[cablam 477]

Offering a 250x250 settlement was an oversight on Ever's part since you can make any size of region in a tile you own. If you want an expansion just ask the orcs and if the PRO gives you consent then you can make it well, as big as they will let it be. The point of the nation charter is to give people tile ownership so that they can give out land to vassals or people under them.

[iris1612 1780]

Okay, thank you

[cablam 477]

Looking back at your question I'm not sure I answered it properly. To get a settlement you can aspire for nationhood through will require either getting a land charter in an unowned tile or getting land in a tile the orcs own outside of their primary capital tile.

[iris1612 1780]

Oh, I didn't realize that. My apologies then and I think that's all. Thank you for being so patient with me and clearing up so much stuff, I really appreciate it