So With This Many Human Kingdoms...

[Trazier 115]

Could someone remind me which of them was formerly alkhazar in oren?

Once they took alkhazar, I didn't really do much except watch the eventual march they made to the cloud temple. I didn't go find another kingdom to move into as a refugee, because as I rightly suspected with how easily they took alkhazar, all other kingdoms were going to fall in a similiar fashion, and they sure did.

So where am I supposed to go now? None of these human kingdoms i've heard names of, sound anything like what I was once a part of. A bit of a pointer in the right direction could help.

[Dat Burkester 101]

Renatus- basically oren

Hanseti- War nation

I forget the last one but thats just like rich, peaceful, people.

[Religious_Pie 127]

Renatus is technically what Oren is, however, if you want one ran pretty much the same to what Al'khazar was, I would go see Salvus, it's ran by Enor and Dawn.

[Trazier 115]

I remember those two... salvus it is I guess.

[DecoLamb 959]

Okay so... its like rhis, at least to me:

Enor gave the crown to gaius, so alkhazar was then under hanseti.

Tarus wanted it, made an upstart not even a day into the change, made renatus.

Then both wanted Dawn because people actually like and listen to her and shes juzt cute like that. But Dawn was just too sexy and was like 'ah. Yeah... No.'

Then we get Salvus. Soooo....

Old blood Oren: Salvus.

Militant Oren: Hanseti

Upstart Rebels who want to be oren but dont have a cute girl or girly equivalent lead figure: Renatus.

[DecoLamb 959]

And Burkie, Hanseti is not a war nation. The war nation is a war nation. And if you want a HUMAN war nation, tbats Renatus, since they are the ones pulling the conquest card at every opportunity they can claw for.

But they are no war nation in any right. Tbey dont have Alras and Salvus in teibute trade pacts already, and Hanseti didnt get reamed by five orcs derping about. Sadly, Renatus is quickly drawing hate... I need to come save you before you get all blown up!

Deco be comin Burkie-baby!

[Agnub 605]

Rather than blame a nation I would recommend - if blame is necessary, that is - blaming certain individuals who want for war. If you base a nation's foreign policy by what a few within it do then every nation could be considered a war nation with only the orks having the gall to publicly define their nation as such.

As for the raid the orks left after they had killed in battle the person they had come seeking for in the first place. It was neither a victory nor a defeat, both sides still had troops standing.

[Supertimmy4ever 19]

Oren+Gaius= Renatus and Hanseti, two different nations with both their own kind of leaders, barons and all those things.

ps: the realm of hanseti is the Teutonic orders club house.

Kingdom of Salvus: island or something, with a good queen and Enor, they want peace, but i spoke to a lot of people who just want to destroy salvus.

i think it should be decreased to 5 races with all their own kingdom.

[everblue2er101 906]

Okay so... its like rhis, at least to me:

Enor gave the crown to gaius, so alkhazar was then under hanseti.

Tarus wanted it, made an upstart not even a day into the change, made renatus.

Then both wanted Dawn because people actually like and listen to her and shes juzt cute like that. But Dawn was just too sexy and was like 'ah. Yeah... No.'

Then we get Salvus. Soooo....

Old blood Oren: Salvus.

Militant Oren: Hanseti

Upstart Rebels who want to be oren but dont have a cute girl or girly equivalent lead figure: Renatus.

This is pretty accurate. The Phoenix Revolution was planning to depose Enor for a long time. Sensing rising opposition he gave the crown to Gaius Marius, then hochmeister. This was disputed by the revolutionaries, as Marius had attacked Oren before. The Revolution then seized Galahar very shortly after, as stated, since the plans for the revolution against Enor were ready and it would have gone ahead soon anyways. Negotiations then began primarily between the Revolution and Marius. The decision was to make a biumvirate, with Ezekiel Tarus ruling the west and Marius in the east. Renatus and especially Galahar gained a negative reputation and were attacked, most notably during the Purge. Lady Dawn and former king Enor retained a significant amount of popularity and created the peaceful nation of Salvus for those who wanted to escape the instability of Renatus.

[DecoLamb 959]

I call them as I see them. Doesnt help that Renatus is constantly trying to start things. Apparantly Alras, Hanseti, and Salvus are going to team up and attack the orcs, even though Hansetsi, the dwarves, Orcs, and Hanseti are after Salvus.

And then the dwarves are apparantly teaming with Salvus to attack the gypsy camp. Needless to say bith my characters, Dawn, Mogroka, and $Samuel all laughed our asses off as the 'ordinaryland citizen' that was telling us this skittered off with his tail between his legs.

Then you have the fact that my five orcs raided you, none of them died. Yes, they didnt kill all of the Renatus. But they all left alive because they got bored. Renatus is crumbling bit by bit, Im betting if they dared to try and tap Salvus, almoat all the nations, save the elves, would spring up and smash down in a great rage. After all.. nobody touches the beloved Queen of Cake and her little star.

[Hiebe 2493]

I want to see a human reunite the races..... or they brawl it out till their capital cities fail. Also dwarves have basically split again. I had it with the nation so I packed up my clansmen and left and now we have out own safe haven. Politics rock I say...

[DecoLamb 959]

Hibe your clan should come live in the ravine near my island, its amazing, so much prey and ore and ive been reshaping the land into biome islands. Best thing ever.

[Samson Option 9652]

[May I have your attention please?

May I have your attention please?

Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?

I repeat, will the real Slim Shady please stand up?

We're gonna have a problem here..

No we ain't, cuz Im the real Slim Shady and I am standing :3]

[Hiebe 2493]

Hibe your clan should come live in the ravine near my island, its amazing, so much prey and ore and ive been reshaping the land into biome islands. Best thing ever.

Too late :P my clan left karik and in two days we got a nation we live on an island near the elves. There are epic ruins we are rebuilding and we have a great under city in progress.

[argonian 14254]

Okay so... its like rhis, at least to me:

Enor gave the crown to gaius, so alkhazar was then under hanseti.

Tarus wanted it, made an upstart not even a day into the change, made renatus.

Then both wanted Dawn because people actually like and listen to her and shes juzt cute like that. But Dawn was just too sexy and was like 'ah. Yeah... No.'

Then we get Salvus. Soooo....

Old blood Oren: Salvus.

Militant Oren: Hanseti

Upstart Rebels who want to be oren but dont have a cute girl or girly equivalent lead figure: Renatus.

Gaius had ATTACKED Oren before. Why on earth do you think it's unreasonable to not give up your nation to it's enemy without a fight? Enor was unpopular at the time so not a lot really trusted his decisions too. Anyway:

Some of old Oren: Salvus

Most of old Oren: Renatus

Black Cross and a couple of others: Hanseti.