So With This Many Human Kingdoms...

[Samson Option 9652]

James2k, as much as I cannot deny successfully invading Al'Khazaar Five Times, my only issue had been with the accusations to bolster such attempt and the slander against me OOC which I always felt to be an inappropriate tactic to justify IC motivations :D

[UltraRed 78]

Here's what I don't understand:

If you have a tyrannical dictator, and a rebellion forming, and then the dictator voluntarily admits he's not a great ruler and hands the throne over to somebody who also doesn't like the old dictator...

Why wouldn't the rebellion be satisfied? They have a ruler who is proven to be a strategic genius, and who has shown, many times, that he only disliked Oren because of their King (and the terrible RPers). And yet they still rebel...

That never really made sense to me...

[Will (TauFirewarrior) 2466]

Well in my opinion Salvus carries Orens spirit and Soul due to the fact we will have Dawns Bakery and no one can claim that they are more like Oren onless they have a bakery nuff said.

[Samson Option 9652]

And I took Oren's Sword Arm and Shield, because I raised a Superior Military, so what does that leave Renatus with?

[Hiebe 2493]

Someone start the human war. Other races pick sides and then there will be a giant battle.

[UltraRed 78]

And I took Oren's Sword Arm and Shield, because I raised a Superior Military, so what does that leave Renatus with?

Throdo's diplomatic skill.

[ayresalex 517]

We get left with the poor RPers. Obviously. I would actually love to see Renatus not be the shithole everyone thinks of it as. Our military, dissed, for correct reasons. Half the reason why I killed off Norsem was because of being harrased constantly in RP, and oocly. And because of the new recruits, asking for promotions and such.

[Garukumus 81]

((All the true blood nobility and old order and old RPers = Salvus

Technical heir to the throne and most able to rule a large nation = Hanseti

The new nobility and majority of Oren's people = Renatus

I was very torn on this issue IC because it was in my character's opinion that the best thing that Oren could be was the old nobility. I liked the tax system it had, I enjoyed the help rebuilding Alstion and all the friendly and dedicated RPers that it claimed it's own.

I always respected the Teutonic knights, yet fought against them when they attacked Oren for obvious reasons. In my opinion Gaius became ruler of Oren the day Enor abdicated, and it should not have gone down the way that it did. The rebellion in my humble opinion was one of the worst things that ever happened to Oren. Not only did it divide the people, but it also cut off from all the things Oren was known for in the past. Active shops full of all the items you could need, a government system that was strong enough to rule effectively yet balanced out by a well rounded council, the old days of hanging out at the bakery, and a real and active community that helped and supported eachother.

I think that this was all destroyed with the creation of Renatus, and while I like the people there and think that they are a good and active community of fun people, I hate what it came to value and what it represents for this group as a whole. Oren is Salvus as a nation. Oren is Hanseti as a nation. Renatus as a nation is the abscence of Oren and the presence of resentment of Old Oren. All I can say....I wish I were in Old Oren again with the Old Kings.

))

[Pudclud 32]

You know what would solve this problem of many human nations? If all the humans were enslaved... that would be perfect.

[Dash_Rogers 130]

Could someone remind me which of them was formerly alkhazar in oren?

Once they took alkhazar, I didn't really do much except watch the eventual march they made to the cloud temple. I didn't go find another kingdom to move into as a refugee, because as I rightly suspected with how easily they took alkhazar, all other kingdoms were going to fall in a similiar fashion, and they sure did.

Hanseti never fell. Only when Aegis died, did the lands of Hanseti break. Hanseti was the last place for humans in Aegis. It was in fact, the last standing hold of civilization. The epicenter was at cloud temple. The elf and Orc nation were next to be consumed by the destruction. The dwarf lands and Alras did not even last to the end.

What I'm getting at is, you gave up on serving a nation at the end because you believed them all to fail. Providing any help, you felt would be futile. Hanseti stood its ground.

That's exactly how it will be in Asulon. Based on geographical location alone, it has the most land, 2nd to the Orc nation, but has the means to defend it all with its back to the icy cold south pole. Every other nation can be easily flanked

If you want to live in a human nation that will last. Hanseti.

But salvus is a neat choice too. It's not freezing arse cold. Instead it's Really beautiful. Not just the rolling green landscape by the sea, but the castle keep and buildings are very pleasant. It's also tied for closest nation to the cloud temple.

[Zebanamana 410]

Here's what I don't understand:

If you have a tyrannical dictator, and a rebellion forming, and then the dictator voluntarily admits he's not a great ruler and hands the throne over to somebody who also doesn't like the old dictator...

Why wouldn't the rebellion be satisfied? They have a ruler who is proven to be a strategic genius, and who has shown, many times, that he only disliked Oren because of their King (and the terrible RPers). And yet they still rebel...

That never really made sense to me...

A lot of characters did not like Gaius nor trust him in the slightest. Many thought Gaius would punish Oren by subjecting her to orc raids, others thought he'd be a tyrant, and many more who are racist against orcs did not trust his alliance. It was coupled with him being a long standing enemy of Oren who had invaded their homes, dishonored them, and fought against them with the orcs. People who feel the shame of losing their homes and being at the mercy of some foreign power are not going to instantly feel gratified that he took the place of the last King. In fact it might just seem like a trade in names or worse. If someone breaks into your house you don't feel happy about having them come in again by a means you did not choose.

That being said, Gaius was a great leader, and very intelligent when it came to leading a military force. My character very much approved of having him become king because he knew that Gaius would be the King that Oren needed. But the in character sentiments towards him that came from many in the rebellion were far too strong. It really could be taken as the United States (Oren) is at war with Russia (Krugmar) ((I know this Cold War era comparisons are ridiculous XD but it's just to make a point)) Then a nation with a strong military (The Black Crosses) joins into the war on the side of Russia and help defeat and humiliate the US' troops, it builds resentment, people do not like losing. Then having the President decide "I am not doing a good job, but I know someone who is a really good commander and a strong leader." Then hands the Presidency to the leader of the strong military nation, it seems like the ultimate defeat at the hands of the enemy.

There had been twenty IC years of distrust, hatred, and bloodshed between Oren and the Black Crosses. People remember that.

As for people doing it for OOC reasons, undoubtedly there were some as there always are, but the main reason of disposing of Gaius was not OOC first then IC. There was a legitimate reason the rebels had for wanting him gone and out of Oren. It is a shame though, there was a great deal of RP that went into organizing the rebellion and there would have been a great deal more had Enor not given away the throne, but alas if people do not see the rp behind it they assume it never happened. Which is moderately reasonable, but I assure everyone there was.

I do hope that there can be some OOC peace between all the factions, because I know after this many people hated Renatus out of character, many people from Renatus hated the other faction members, and so on. I just want there to be some calm understanding.

[Trazier 115]

Throdo's diplomatic skill.

Diplomatic that fella ain't.

[ULTRA LORD 25]

War is not the answer to the problems we're all facing. All humans are brethren. We need to cooperate and thrive, or go down scattered.

[Nononymous 306]

We get left with the poor RPers. Obviously. I would actually love to see Renatus not be the shithole everyone thinks of it as. Our military, dissed, for correct reasons. Half the reason why I killed off Norsem was because of being harrased constantly in RP, and oocly. And because of the new recruits, asking for promotions and such.

I was a good recruit... ;(

[ayresalex 517]

You were, for like, 2 days. :P