Clan Qualities.

[_pok_ 1768]

I don't think qualities should try to be pushed onto a clan. Instead clan leaders can try to recruit people with certain qualities, like having a preference to recruiting merchants, but do not force the niche onto the clan. Essentially in my experience when you push a niche onto a separated group culture (and believe me I have had a lot of experience with this as a veteran member of 2 different Shadowclan branches with this same exact structure) people tend to shape their RP to fit the niche. That isn't necessarily a bad thing mind you, but in a world like Aegis where RP guidelines exist in the form of races and a little bit of forced lore, you do not want to curb the creativity of some by making it seem like there is a niche group they should fit into. I understand that isnt the intention of the style you are forming, but it will come as a result. I suggest instead leaving the clans more or less undesignated and leaders can instead try to shape their "niches" via recruitment, rather than by labeling their clan.

^'Nuff said!

[char615 41]

I don't think qualities should try to be pushed onto a clan. Instead clan leaders can try to recruit people with certain qualities, like having a preference to recruiting merchants, but do not force the niche onto the clan. Essentially in my experience when you push a niche onto a separated group culture (and believe me I have had a lot of experience with this as a veteran member of 2 different Shadowclan branches with this same exact structure) people tend to shape their RP to fit the niche. That isn't necessarily a bad thing mind you, but in a world like Aegis where RP guidelines exist in the form of races and a little bit of forced lore, you do not want to curb the creativity of some by making it seem like there is a niche group they should fit into. I understand that isnt the intention of the style you are forming, but it will come as a result. I suggest instead leaving the clans more or less undesignated and leaders can instead try to shape their "niches" via recruitment, rather than by labeling their clan.

Well put.

I agree.

[Lugmak 20]

I believe that there will be a war between the Azogs and Lurs when the capital set up.

Soon all the clans would get involved, then loads of draggons will come, I'll kill them all then go onto 1 of the sides in the clan war, then I'll just "FOS RU DAH" the other Clans...you got it now?

[craotor 617]

You didn't destroy us.. we had like 1 left and you had like 2... And you even brang dwarfs to help you... and we killed them all..

Ok then i just need to say 3 simple things to you

1: Learn to do math pls.There were 4 Lurs.Me,Jarkall,Meanking and Fishy.You had 4 people.Tadok.,Erik,Maur and pok.

We brang charles but he wasnt suposed to fight which he didint he used ender pearl wrong so he almost died of fall damage.

Now to the we killed em all part.The 4 Lurs used ender pearls to get youre base.We did a quick run for damage then we went out using the gate sign.But fishy got stuck in.Why?Cause you destroyed the gate sign((which is technicaly powergaming btw)).So fishy was stuck so he started to block atacks with swords against pok. tadok. and Erik.When he started doing this he did alot of counter atacks that killed tadok.Then Fishy ran through youre walls and jumped on the outside.

Then we tried a second assault in which we used ender pearls in the midle of youre base.When we did this pok and maur ran inside of the base to avoid dirct comflict.But erik was to slow so he stood on that water trap of youres.I ender pearled on that trap.Youre people were so desperate as to kill me that you lowered the water trap with me and erik.I was about to drown because of that but i found erik and killed him before i drowned.

So fishy,Jarkall and Meanking were jumping up and down tring to hit you at the roof of that thing.Maur got hit and fell to ground level.Instead of staying and fighting us Maur ran to a litle shed which had a protected door so no one could get him.But then pok died because of meanking so Maur thaught it was safe to run away.Big mistake we killed him before he got to the wall.

So lets to the math real quick here:

Lurs killed by azogs: Azogs killed by lur

None Tadok,Pok,Maur and Erik

Lurs that died: Azogs that died:

Me. Tadok,Maur,Pok and Erik

So you see Tadok the math doesnt add up cause you said we had like 1 left and you had like 2 and then you said we killed em all.We had 3 left you had none left.Youre people killed none of my people in combat so you didint kill us all.

And after the batle you went into our ts channel and started raging at us saying we glitcjed trugh the gate when we used enderpearls and that you were the ones who powergamed to destroy the gate sign

Thing number 2:Reasons not to continue the war with azogs

Its simple.It would had destroyed them.When we atacked youre fort we didnt get a gm to declar war.We just atacked it.If we had declared war we would had used ladders on the wall killed you all faster the when you went in the inner part of the fort we would had broken the doors down.

Once they were all killed we would had looted the chests and taken all youre armor,weapons and ores.Leaving the Azogs with virtualy no resources thus killing them would be easier.If it was true war we wouldnt had given youre armor and weapons back.Did we do any of this things?No cause were all friends here and i did t want to screw you over

Thing number 3: Why we dont go to war with azogs now?

1-We Lurs have a much bigger goal then to just kill azogs

2-Would be to easy.Azogs has one person three at max.Tadok and Erik((banned)) and Maur.Lurs have 15 and we plan to recruit one more person till the end of this week.

All youre armor comes from us.Jarkall is the best blacksmith so be crafts all youre armor and weapons that you use and then repairs it

3-If you went to war with us you would starve to death because the best cook is Jutra which is a Lur if a clan war happened she would stop giving food to only youre clan while all the other orcs live haply and fat.

Not only is all this stuff counter productive to the development of our new nation it would also make you rage more then usual and none of us wants to hear that.

[Jutra 51]

((Thing number 4 - Craotor is always right - he told me this one himself.

...just saying!))

[craotor 617]

((Thing number 4 - Craotor is always right - he told me this one himself.

...just saying!))

True fact ^^

[Sultan 3953]

All youre armor comes from us.Jarkall is the best blacksmith so be crafts all youre armor and weapons that you use and then repairs it

3-If you went to war with us you would starve to death because the best cook is Jutra which is a Lur if a clan war happened she would stop giving food to only youre clan while all the other orcs live haply and fat.

If you did do these to things Il personly have all the clans and orcs, Attack and kill you.

Becuase Jarkarll is not your blacksmith and Jutra is not your cook/farmer.

There the nations not yours.

The othere thing your a orc that should have honor and not use dirty tricks like that.

[craotor 617]

All youre armor comes from us.Jarkall is the best blacksmith so be crafts all youre armor and weapons that you use and then repairs it

3-If you went to war with us you would starve to death because the best cook is Jutra which is a Lur if a clan war happened she would stop giving food to only youre clan while all the other orcs live haply and fat.

If you did do these to things Il personly have all the clans and orcs, Attack and kill you.

Becuase Jarkarll is not your blacksmith and Jutra is not your cook/farmer.

There the nations not yours.

The othere thing your a orc that should have honor and not use dirty tricks like that.

You misinderstand me mogroka.It would be realy bad rp if they just stoped atacking and killing each other in the midle of the war and just starting giving giftd to one another.It would be like this" hey i know i was just killing youre friends and famaly but i need to give you some armor and food".It would make absolutly no sense.

I completely agree that they are not mine but thr nations.I have not once tried to stop em to give things to anyone even if i dont lime the person.We are all ine nation and we share everything.When me and my Lurs went to raid i got 8 gold.Did i hoard it for my self?No i gave it to orcs so they could make better weapons

[_pok_ 1768]

Ok then i just need to say 3 simple things to you

1: Learn to do math pls.There were 4 Lurs.Me,Jarkall,Meanking and Fishy.You had 4 people.Tadok.,Erik,Maur and pok.

We brang charles but he wasnt suposed to fight which he didint he used ender pearl wrong so he almost died of fall damage.

Now to the we killed em all part.The 4 Lurs used ender pearls to get youre base.We did a quick run for damage then we went out using the gate sign.But fishy got stuck in.Why?Cause you destroyed the gate sign((which is technicaly powergaming btw)).So fishy was stuck so he started to block atacks with swords against pok. tadok. and Erik.When he started doing this he did alot of counter atacks that killed tadok.Then Fishy ran through youre walls and jumped on the outside.

Then we tried a second assault in which we used ender pearls in the midle of youre base.When we did this pok and maur ran inside of the base to avoid dirct comflict.But erik was to slow so he stood on that water trap of youres.I ender pearled on that trap.Youre people were so desperate as to kill me that you lowered the water trap with me and erik.I was about to drown because of that but i found erik and killed him before i drowned.

So fishy,Jarkall and Meanking were jumping up and down tring to hit you at the roof of that thing.Maur got hit and fell to ground level.Instead of staying and fighting us Maur ran to a litle shed which had a protected door so no one could get him.But then pok died because of meanking so Maur thaught it was safe to run away.Big mistake we killed him before he got to the wall.

So lets to the math real quick here:

Lurs killed by azogs: Azogs killed by lur

None Tadok,Pok,Maur and Erik

Lurs that died: Azogs that died:

Me. Tadok,Maur,Pok and Erik

So you see Tadok the math doesnt add up cause you said we had like 1 left and you had like 2 and then you said we killed em all.We had 3 left you had none left.Youre people killed none of my people in combat so you didint kill us all.

And after the batle you went into our ts channel and started raging at us saying we glitcjed trugh the gate when we used enderpearls and that you were the ones who powergamed to destroy the gate sign

Thing number 2:Reasons not to continue the war with azogs

Its simple.It would had destroyed them.When we atacked youre fort we didnt get a gm to declar war.We just atacked it.If we had declared war we would had used ladders on the wall killed you all faster the when you went in the inner part of the fort we would had broken the doors down.

Once they were all killed we would had looted the chests and taken all youre armor,weapons and ores.Leaving the Azogs with virtualy no resources thus killing them would be easier.If it was true war we wouldnt had given youre armor and weapons back.Did we do any of this things?No cause were all friends here and i did t want to screw you over

Thing number 3: Why we dont go to war with azogs now?

1-We Lurs have a much bigger goal then to just kill azogs

2-Would be to easy.Azogs has one person three at max.Tadok and Erik((banned)) and Maur.Lurs have 15 and we plan to recruit one more person till the end of this week.

All youre armor comes from us.Jarkall is the best blacksmith so be crafts all youre armor and weapons that you use and then repairs it

3-If you went to war with us you would starve to death because the best cook is Jutra which is a Lur if a clan war happened she would stop giving food to only youre clan while all the other orcs live haply and fat.

Not only is all this stuff counter productive to the development of our new nation it would also make you rage more then usual and none of us wants to hear that.

((The Ugluks have a giant ass farm for the War Nation run by Kiog'Ugluk, just saying. And Jutra can't feed you either when we seize her farm.))

[craotor 617]

Pok you have a flaw in youre argument..Lurs have no reason to hate uglucks.We dont want war with anyone ((for at least not anyeays))especialy you guys.I respect you guys both ic and ooc and ip y char finds it impressive you managed to revive youre clan from scrath.Again this would all be a huge hipotetical situation.

And refer to my other post if you do not understand reasons to mot give armor and food if were at war with em.

[Eltyer 2]

((Wow, please stop this, i don't want a cold war in the war uzg.))

[Jutra 51]

((The Ugluks have a giant ass farm for the War Nation run by Kiog'Ugluk, just saying. And Jutra can't feed you either when we seize her farm.))

((Umm why is there another nation's farm anywhere besides where the Head farmers are? Why haven't I seen massives amounts of food being put in the nations food chests from this other nations farm?

And on a side not - I don't have a farm, I'm working on the City's farm. Seize it and I think you're goose would be cooked (but not by me!)))

[craotor 617]

Im soory if i over reacted i was mad when i was looking through the forums and people were talking **** about me in more then one thread so this just made me snap.

[Eltyer 2]

Im soory if i over reacted i was mad when i was looking through the forums and people were talking **** about me in more then one thread so this just made me snap.

I understand, and i´m happy everyone can be so mature to stop this flamewar.

[Danny 2232]

Moved to the Great Library. It shall be sorted into appropriate category shortly.