Hob-Goblins Ooc

[ALikdoril 10]

I had an ideal a few nights ago for a new subrace for the orcs. I know we already have three but i hear we may loose the shaman race. So this is my ideal. Hobgoblins. Roughly mansized Uruks that are weaker than normal Orcs but are rather nimble and intellegent. They would maybe gain a bonus in swordsmanship and perhaps a bonus in a crafting skill like blacksmithy or cooking. But in contrast they would have minuses in more manual labor skills like farming or mining. Possibly even lumberworking. It's a rough ideal i admit. But i am willing to work out the lore with a little help and a point in the right direction. Anyone have any thoughts on the ideal?

[Ever 2648]

:< But we have goblins which are exactly what you described.

[ALikdoril 10]

Not entirly but as i said its only a rough ideal. I am working on the lore for this. Also they are not exactly goblins. They are not nearly as smart as goblins nor are they quite as strong as orc. They are also taller than a goblin. About six foot to be exact. A kind of middle ground if you will. Though i suppose in this rough discription there is a bit of an overlap. Though like i said they are nimble so perhaps lose the more intellegent bit.

Edit: Perhaps instead of a bonus to swords it could be to bows or maybe cooking. Something that requires nimble hands to better reflect that. Though again with a negative hit to things that require more body strength to perform like mining or lumberwork.

Further edit: thank you for the feed back btw. Though i question the nesesity of a frowny emotacon. I do appreciate the comment however. And would like to restate that i am open to suggestions. I do think this could be intresting which is why i posted and also why i'm asking for thoughts. So i can bring this ideal to more than just a rough thought.

[Swgrclan 2682]

I feel as if the name was taken from another role-play server that has not been released yet, and I believe is ran by Archmage Cataris. Hobgoblins is his server's Orc's. It would be appreciated if the name was changed.

[UltraRed 78]

I feel as if the name was taken from another role-play server that has not been released yet, and I believe is ran by Archmage Cataris. Hobgoblins is his server's Orc's. It would be appreciated if the name was changed.

Hobgoblins appear in general fantasy. What proof do you have that the idea/name was taken? My point is, Cataris didn't invent the name.

[ALikdoril 10]

I was unaware that the name hobgoblin was taken by another server still in development or otherwise. That said i don't really see a reason to change it. I chose the name cause hobgoblin's are both something that exists in pen and paper games such as Dungeons and Dragons and Pathfinder. Even World of Warcraft. Hob-goblins also exist in folk lore as mischivious sprites. However if this really bothers the person who runs this other server so much i'll think of a new name. Though i can't see really why it would.

[Swgrclan 2682]

Hobgoblins appear in general fantasy. What proof do you have that the idea/name was taken? My point is, Cataris didn't invent the name.

However, it came to my attention that he featured Hobgoblins as his Orcish equivalent. I've seen his server shown on the forums recently, regardless if it was a post of hate directed at the server for "copying", it is possible he stumbled upon the thread/status and followed the link towards the website, read it's lore, and used the name. I am not implying Cataris made the name, but I'm saying it's a possibility that the name was "taken" from Cataris' lore.

[Swgrclan 2682]

I was unaware that the name hobgoblin was taken by another server still in development or otherwise. That said i don't really see a reason to change it. I chose the name cause hobgoblin's are both something that exists in pen and paper games such as Dungeons and Dragons and Pathfinder. Even World of Warcraft. Hob-goblins also exist in folk lore as mischivious sprites. However if this really bothers the person who runs this other server so much i'll think of a new name. Though i can't see really why it would.

Ah. Alright, I stand corrected. Go ahead and use the name, I doubt Cataris would be bothered by it.

[ALikdoril 10]

edit rather: Never mind. I reread this and it's a little hostile itself. I can understand being defensive of other peoples work or of one's own work as the case maybe with me. That said sorry for any troble the choice in name caused, That said its one in the morning. I'll come back to this with a little lore sampler tomorrow perhaps.

[Swgrclan 2682]

I am again sorry the name offends you so. But i did not know of this as i have stated. I would however request that you not point accusations without just proof. That said what exactly about this screams "He copied it! he's a evil plagiarist!" ? The name? Like i said it's been around for awhile now and exists in general fantasy as Ultra Red just stated. I don't even have the lore up yet so accusing me of plagiarism seems a bit overzealous.

I did not imply your a plagiarist. I was taking precaution. After I saw your post of inspiration from Warcraft and such, I thought otherwise. Disregard my posts.

[ALikdoril 10]

I did not imply your a plagiarist. I was taking precaution. After I saw your post of inspiration from Warcraft and such, I thought otherwise. Disregard my posts.

Sorry, I didin't mean to put words in your mouth. Perhaps its because its one in the morning here but i'm a little on edge. Again sorry for that. You don't deserve that for being cautious.

[Ned Lud 1260]

Anyhow, back to orcs talking about orcish things to fellow orcs.

I would just play as the goblin sub-race and call myself a hobgoblin. All they really are are beefed up goblins. You could develop all of the hobgoblin lore and simply roll with it. The reason I say this is because goblins are already underpopulated as it is and I would hate to see it spread even thinner by creating two subraces that are really pretty parallel.

If I could roll back in time, I probably would have joined this server as a hobgoblin, living in the mountains performing cruel rituals and creating various killing machines. I'd really like to see goblins and hobgoblins develop their own lore and their own little camps in the mountains and such. This could facilitate that rather than detract from it.

[ALikdoril 10]

Anyhow, back to orcs talking about orcish things to fellow orcs.

I would just play as the goblin sub-race and call myself a hobgoblin. All they really are are beefed up goblins. You could develop all of the hobgoblin lore and simply roll with it. The reason I say this is because goblins are already underpopulated as it is and I would hate to see it spread even thinner by creating two subraces that are really pretty parallel.

If I could roll back in time, I probably would have joined this server as a hobgoblin, living in the mountains performing cruel rituals and creating various killing machines. I'd really like to see goblins and hobgoblins develop their own lore and their own little camps in the mountains and such. This could facilitate that rather than detract from it.

Hmmm. I didin't think of that. Sure if that would be prefered to having another Subrace of orc i'd love to work them as a sorta Quasi Goblin subtype. Admitidly i like goblins a bit more than orcs which is why i made the pitch in the first place. But if goblins are so underplayed that this would cause division i can take it down the route of it being a goblin subrace.

[Blawharag 277]

Your idea really seems redundant. As Ned said, it's really just a beefed up Goblin. The shaman subrace (and I believe the Nomad as well) will be dropped, but what we need to pick up in it's place should be widely unique from what is already available. Hobgoblin doesn't really seem to add much of anything to me and will really just be competing with the Goblin subrace for position as Ned described.

[ALikdoril 10]

Your idea really seems redundant. As Ned said, it's really just a beefed up Goblin. The shaman subrace (and I believe the Nomad as well) will be dropped, but what we need to pick up in it's place should be widely unique from what is already available. Hobgoblin doesn't really seem to add much of anything to me and will really just be competing with the Goblin subrace for position as Ned described.

Like i said it's was a thought that i thought i would bring up and work on as either a subrace or as ned suggested a goblin subdivision. If it's really that bad of an ideal though i'll drop it. i'm sorry.