Creation Or Evolution? Vote!

[Wavejammers 328]

http://usminc.org/hitler.html it doesn't have the best sources but if it's right then he definitely did not like Christianity. Also, there's this on wikipedia which seems to be saying that by the time he rose to power, he just publically supported Christianity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Hitler broke so many commandments that it'd be VERY hard/impossible to get forgiven but I don't know because there isn't a chart in the bible saying what gets you sent to hell or heaven, and how much repenting and stuff you can do for forgiveness if you did a certain thing and etc.

I disagreed with hammer, just like you can disagree with certain athiests on some theories and stuff. I might have misread his stuff and I don't think it's 100% clear what you must do. He seemed to be saying that all you needed was belief and I think that you need to do more than that, or why would there be commandments?

 

You're avoiding my point, and the biggest point of 'the war on atheism' it's because religion is forced upon children, Hitler is a great exapmle of that, he didn't believe in god because god came down to him and told Hitler he existed, only because his mother have been utter brainwashed to believe that a holy guy that sits in the skies, made the earth.

 

Red = Broken - Green = Hold - Gray = Idunno

Now to to commandments:

1: Thou shalt have no other gods before me - Pretty easy.

2: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image - Have you ever had a photo taken of you? OF COURSE!

3: Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain - Have you ever said; OMG/Jesus christ!/Holy ****? OF COURSE!

4: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy - Have you ever done any kind of work on a Saturday? (Like homework) OF COURSE

5: Honour thy father and thy mother - We have all hated our parents at some point, so, OF COURSE!

6: Thou shalt not kill - THE BEST ONE OF THEM! ATHEIST KILL BECAUSE THE COMMANDMENTS SAY ONLY CHRISTIANS NEVER KILL! HNNGF BEST COMMANDMENTS EVAH! I <3 JESUS + MOSEZ - Hopefully not.

7: Thou shalt not commit adultery - Who dosen't?

8: Thou shalt not steal - Have you ever stolen a you little sisters doll, or a buck so you could buy that T-Shirt? OF COURSE!

9: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour - I've done this, I bet you have too, but I can't be too sure, but remember, god knows EVERYTHING, and if you lie, and say you haven't (If you did it) you would have broke two commandments, at the same time!

10: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife - pretty easy.

 

Hitler did ONE more thing that I would assume you would do, so, see ya in hell.

 

Edit: Fatal coloring mistake.

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You're avoiding my point, and the biggest point of 'the war on atheism' it's because religion is forced upon children, Hitler is a great exapmle of that, he didn't believe in god because god came down to him and told Hitler he existed, only because his mother have been utter brainwashed to believe that a holy guy that sits in the skies, made the earth.

 

Red = Broken - Green = Hold - Gray = Idunno

Now to to commandments:

1: Thou shalt have no other gods before me - Pretty easy.

2: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image - Have you ever had a photo taken of you? OF COURSE!

3: Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain - Have you ever said; OMG/Jesus christ!/Holy ****? OF COURSE!

4: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy - Have you ever done any kind of work on a Saturday? (Like homework) OF COURSE

5: Honour thy father and thy mother - We have all hated our parents at some point, so, OF COURSE!

6: Thou shalt not kill - THE BEST ONE OF THEM! ATHEIST KILL BECAUSE THE COMMANDMENTS SAY ONLY CHRISTIANS NEVER KILL! HNNGF BEST COMMANDMENTS EVAH! I <3 JESUS + MOSEZ - Hopefully not.

7: Thou shalt not commit adultery - Who dosen't?

8: Thou shalt not steal - Have you ever stolen a you little sisters doll, or a buck so you could buy that T-Shirt? OF COURSE!

9: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour - I've done this, I bet you have too, but I can't be too sure, but remember, god knows EVERYTHING, and if you lie, and say you haven't (If you did it) you would have broke two commandments, at the same time!

10: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife - pretty easy.

 

Hitler did ONE more thing that I would assume you would do, so, see ya in hell.

 

This is exactly why Jesus came down from heaven and died for us. So that we would be forgiven. Do you think God didn't know that we would break those commandments? Oh and BTW you got the definition of commandment number 2 completely wrong... it means that we should never make an image to worship.

 

 

oh and some things in science aren't true. like you know that we used to think that maggots were born from meat...

 

Matthew leaves out names and generations. Uzzi'ah was not Joram's son, for example.

What are the sources that he gives? how did he find this out? how do we know that Joram wasn`t the father of Uzzi`ah? The point is we have no way of finding that out. Thus the genealogy is still relevant.

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Then why are the commandments there in the first place, if Jesus died for our sins so we could ignore them?

Sorry, but you worship the Jesus on the cross in the church ever sunday, right? TO HELL WITH THE PRIEST!

That was what we USED to think, but now we know that maggots come from eggs, because we have STUDIED them. = SCIENCE

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You're avoiding my point, and the biggest point of 'the war on atheism' it's because religion is forced upon children, Hitler is a great exapmle of that, he didn't believe in god because god came down to him and told Hitler he existed, only because his mother have been utter brainwashed to&amp;nbsp;believe that a holy guy that sits in the skies, made the earth.

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Red = Broken - Green = Hold - Gray = Idunno

Now to to commandments:

1:&amp;nbsp;Thou shalt have no other gods before me - Pretty easy.

2:&amp;nbsp;Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image - Have you ever had a photo taken of you? OF COURSE!

3: Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain -&amp;nbsp;Have you ever said; OMG/Jesus christ!/Holy ****? OF COURSE!

4:&amp;nbsp;Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy - Have you ever done any kind of work on a Saturday? (Like homework) OF COURSE

5:&amp;nbsp;Honour thy father and thy mother - We have all hated our parents at some point, so, OF COURSE!

6:&amp;nbsp;Thou shalt not kill - THE BEST ONE OF THEM! ATHEIST KILL BECAUSE THE COMMANDMENTS SAY ONLY CHRISTIANS NEVER KILL! HNNGF BEST COMMANDMENTS EVAH! I &amp;lt;3 JESUS + MOSEZ - Hopefully not.

7:&amp;nbsp;Thou shalt not commit adultery - Who dosen't?

8:&amp;nbsp;Thou shalt not steal - Have you ever stolen a you little sisters doll, or a buck so you could buy that T-Shirt? OF COURSE!

9:&amp;nbsp;Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour - I've done this, I bet you have too, but I can't be too sure, but remember, god knows EVERYTHING, and if you lie, and say you haven't (If you did it) you would have broke two commandments, at the same time!

10: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife - pretty easy.

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Hitler did ONE more thing that I would assume you would do, so, see ya in hell.

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Edit: Fatal coloring mistake.

So you've fucked people's wives/husbands(adultery) and murdered(you put that as red and then had a freaking seizure when commenting on it...)? And the commandments aren't like, "IF YOU EVER BREAK ONE OF THESE YOU'RE GOING TO HELL, REPENTING IS USELESS!", most of them you can easily be forgiven for and then others...not so much but could still be if you repented enough and didn't do it again. And Hitler may have been forced into Christianity before leaving it as an adult, but that's hardly God's fault? He have people free-will, he wasn't going to force his parents not to baptise him and get him confirmed.

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God gave us the ten commandments to show us how imperfect we are and how much we fall short. and no, you cannot just ignore your sins. the fact that your sinning and not confessing and repenting means that you probably don't have faith in God.

I really dont understand what you jest said about priests, and what relevance it had, so if you could please explain it would be my pleasure to try to show you the answer.

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So you've fucked people's wives/husbands(adultery) and murdered(you put that as red and then had a freaking seizure when commenting on it...)? And the commandments aren't like, "IF YOU EVER BREAK ONE OF THESE YOU'RE GOING TO HELL, REPENTING IS USELESS!", most of them you can easily be forgiven for and then others...not so much but could still be if you repented enough and didn't do it again. And Hitler may have been forced into Christianity before leaving it as an adult, but that's hardly God's fault? He have people free-will, he wasn't going to force his parents not to baptise him and get him confirmed.

No, I'm sane enough, that I do not need a moral compas.

If I have free will, I could not sin, think about that.

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What are the sources that he gives? how did he find this out? how do we know that Joram wasn`t the father of Uzzi`ah? The point is we have no way of finding that out. Thus the genealogy is still relevant.

In 1 Chronicles 3:10-12 New International Version, it says that Jehoshaphat's son is Jehoram. And that Jehoram's son is Ahaziah, Ahaziah's son is Joash, Joash's son is Amaziah, Amaziah's son is Azariah and that Azariah's son is Jotham. Matthew 1:8 NIV says that Jehoshaphat's son is Jehoram, whose son is Uzziah. Unless they contradict, Matthew is missing some people.

EDIT: Also, Luke and Matthew's genealogy conflict.

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oops... didnt read that right... ill edit this when i get the answer...

EDIT: My dad just so happens to be a pastor, so ill ask him. I WILL get back to you on this. He will be back sometime today, so any other questions while i wait?

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oops... didnt read that right... ill edit this when i get the answer...

EDIT: My dad just so happens to be a pastor, so ill ask him. I WILL get back to you on this. He will be back sometime today, so any other questions while i wait?

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DOUBLE EDIT: I do know the answer to the Matthew and Luke difference. Matthew was uneducated and Luke was Educated. In those days you were not supposed to go through a womans line. Luke went through Marys line. He just jumped from Joseph, to Marys father.

EDITRAMA!: Ugh... i cant seem to get this editing vs replying right...

[argonian 14254]

oops... didnt read that right... ill edit this when i get the answer...

EDIT: My dad just so happens to be a pastor, so ill ask him. I WILL get back to you on this. He will be back sometime today, so any other questions while i wait?

Oskar is going to LOVE the fact that your dad's a pastor.

EDIT: Matthew-Luke thing makes sense. Thanks.

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Oskar is going to LOVE the fact that your dad's a pastor.

Ikr...

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it seems my father has not got back yet... ill ask him tomorrow...

[Wavejammers 328]

Ikr.

 

What I said about priests:

You: 'commandment number 2 completely wrong... it means that we should never make an image to worship.'

Since it is not allowed to worship a figure/image, the traditional "Jesus on the chross" in the back of every church seems rather ironic. Ask your dad why he does that, breaks the second commandmend every day, and why he didn't stop it after he read the bible.

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What I said about priests:

You: 'commandment number 2 completely wrong... it means that we should never make an image to worship.'

Since it is not allowed to worship a figure/image, the traditional "Jesus on the chross" in the back of every church seems rather ironic. Ask your dad why he does that, breaks the second commandmend every day, and why he didn't stop it after he read the bible.

He isn't worshiping the Cross, but rather what it stands for. Jesus. Thus when we bow down, it doesn't matter if we bow down facing the cross or facing away from the cross, but rather who we are worshiping. I really don't think you understand most of what Christians do...