Blawharag

I like how everyone expects magic users to be over-powered monsters that will just destroy enemies with their magic plug-in spells.

I don't know who told you this, but they lied to you. Evocation is the art of summoning non-living things from the void, most commonly elements with the intent of combat. Traditionally, one of the four classic elements is chosen as a realm of study, but technically this is not a rule. By that hand, the MAT has been slow to review this admittedly, due to some ongoing debates within the team concerning various lores and lore suggestions, however I recently introduced a new way for the team to view and review lore suggestions that should allow us to conclude many pending reviews in a more time-progressive manner. The new system is less than a week old, so I do not know how well it will work yet, but it seems to be doing well so far as much more discussion on this and other lores has already taken place.

I stand corrected. Deco's evidence has undermined my argument. I concede that the cassoway is proof that a being can travel at 32 mph and not clip trees in a jungle atmosphere.

I don't think you understand how insanely impossible it would be for this bird to exist practically speaking. Dropping 5mph does nothing to change that, nor do "Super Strong Legs" Compensate for foliage density and the need for agility. First, bird based beings are generally not heavy, and therefore do not need "Super Strong Legs" to carry itself with ease. The ostrich (another plains creature and not dissimilar to your own flightless bird) runs with the aided effort of it's wings, using the wings in a flapping motion to propel itself along even as it runs. That being said: Lets assume your creatures legs are somehow super strong and can just ignore the ridiculously thick foliage of the jungle (an adaptation that is shared with no other creature in history except perhaps a few limited cases like the elephant and the rhino, depending on how you view it). Your bird is still going to die from trees. Take you on a motorcycle. Now, say you were cruising along a highway at 45mph. Suddenly, trees. Trees everywhere. You are in a rainforest. I am guessing you aren't dumb enough to run into a tree, however unless you slow your cycle way down, you are going to die in this rainforest. It's not about intelligence level, it's about the ability to 1. Process the information of literally hundreds of trees all hurtling at you at 45 mph 2. Registering a safe path which may not even exist and may require a complete course adjustment 3. Acting with enough agility that you can shift your 45 mph mass several times completely adjusting course constantly throughout your run, regularly fighting your own body's momentum to avoid every tree, all while never once slowing down or dropping pace. Having super strong legs with a lot of muscle mass, actually makes it worse in this case, as that is just more momentum that needs to be shifted. Horses and Cheetah could not accomplish the agility necessary to move at such a rapid pace through a dense jungle, that's why they live in plains environments. I'm not saying your bird has to be totally realistic. We are in a fantasy world after all. I am just saying that A] You are really stretching the realm of imagination with this animal and B] A bird capable of traveling 45mph, and predatory (meaning it help in combat) gives the Kha a huge advantage, and in theory they could win virtually any war through cavalry alone. An Orc might be able to face a charging Gy'waka, but a Kha on it's back with a sturdy spear would make such a feat impossible. And since your bird has such ridiculously strong legs and crazy unreasonable agility, traditional trapping methods used to box in charging cavalry in our RL wars of the past, are virtually useless against your bird. For example, there was a trap where spearmen would stand to either side of an opening against a charging horse. The horse, not wanting to be skewered, goes between the two spearmen groups. It is then met by a wall of shields, halting it's advance, and surrounded. The method was used to take down countless charging chariots in the past. Your bird cloud literally stop and turn on a dime, never missing a beat and never coming close to being trapped.

Assuming 35mph, your forest bird is still moving at twice the pace of a plains animal. It is fine for an animal to be faster than another animal, what isn't so understandable is how a jungle creature evolved to be faster than a plains creature. The cheetah, a plains creature who's body specifically evolved to be the fastest animal alive in a dead sprint over a very, very short distance, can barely outpace your bird. And your bird lives in the jungle. As a rule, creatures that live on the plains develop to be faster than those living in the jungle. For one, less obstacles to deal with (I don't just mean trees) and secondarily a lack of options to escape predators necessitates speed as an escape method, or else a pack to protect you. Often times both. The Horse, an animal bred by humans to hold speed over flat lengths for extended periods of time, cannot outpace your rookie jungle bird. It's horrible unrealistic. Even assuming your bird was agile enough to avoid the trees, it would have to lift its legs to nearly its body with every step in order to avoid tripping or being injured by ground cover, an act which would be fatal at 60 mph.

Your bird is capable of running at 50 mph? To put that into perspective, that is about four times faster than a horse, and almost as fast as a cheetah can sprint. The Horse and Cheetah are both animals adapted to large open environments, where speed is a necessity. Your bird is a jungle bird, where 50 mph travel + Poor eyesight = George of the Jungle tree-smash. Maybe ten mph for a very agile bird, but it still needs that sight in there or trees are going to be a huge problem. Unless you mean to imply that your bird can "hear" the individual trees in an environment filled with leaves, life, and other objects to interfere with their sensory perception. I'm guessing it can't, considering: That tells me they should have died off a long time ago from 50 mph tree collisions and inability to find food (you are not going to "hear" your way to food in a jungle teaming with life. And if you could, your hearing perception is so great that it far surpasses any animal present in the world today and would make the bird a monstrous power that could virtually never be approached, simply because it would have zero difficult evading you. Such incredible hearing prowess is arguable better than an animals elevated sense of smell, as the limitations of hearing are tossed out the window, while animal's smell is still subjected to limitations such as being wind direction ect.)

Bear in mind that one does not necessarily need to know the molecular physics of electricity to create it through the void and project it into reality. The more you know and account for, the easier/more practical it is, but you could realistically expect a mage to create electricity just by know more basic properties of electricity than those of the molecular level. Such observations of static electricity and the properties of such, how electricity affects the world around it, how it interacts with various objects and lifeforms, ect. could all go towards formulating the spell. Understanding electricity on a molecular level would require scientific observational methods that escape medieval era ability. And such advanced knowledge would probably allow one to manipulate electricity with little to no effort as well, since you are faking virtually nothing at that point. One must understand that in LotC's Arcane magics, parts of the science are deliberately fudged. It is understood that mages cannot fully realize the scientific processes behind each and every spell. Mana is burned to make up for what must be forced into reality. Understanding as much science as possible allows the mage to make the summon less "fake" or "forced" into reality. The less forced it is, the less Mana that needs to be donated to keep it in place. So you do not need to perfectly understand lightning on a scientific level, but there does have to be a firm base in science.

Cappy every time I thought of something to post, you posted it first. All I can do is standby and +1 your posts rather than repeat what you have alread said lol.

After careful review, the Magic Team has decided to accept this lore suggestion. All applicants will have to be self-taught at the moment, and Urara has agreed to OOCly oversee that self teaching process until there is an accepted teacher for the subtype. All applicants should list Urara as their OOC Teacher for the time being. Enjoy the RP!

Alright, the Magic Team has discussed this and there are just a few minor things we would like to see tweaked before this gets accepted. PM me for the details.

The Magic Team is happy to inform you that this magic is accepted! Bear in mind potential followers will have to apply through the Magic Application system prior to learning, and must have undergone training for a minimum of 4-6 weeks before having access to the magic. Avoid powergaming and seek to create great RP wherever you go!

Ok the shadow-walk makes a bit more sense now then. Though while we are on the subject, say there is a bridge of shade between two larger shadows. If you went to travel between them, but your body was larger than the bridge, would you remain hidden or would the parts unable to fit lie exposed as you walked (ultimately, I assume, being severed due to the design of the spell)? It might be that the spell works better with everyone contacting the leader and the leader contacting back. When you are just about done with the lore, Ill go in detail about the limits that have to be applied to this spell, and you can decide how best to accommodate them. Like I said, there is flexibility within the limits themselves, so odds are we can find a way to make your design work without having to fudge any details, whichever design you end up choosing. P.S. Sorry about my unresponsiveness on TS, I mistakenly left myself logged in while I was at school and work all day.

While this is getting reviewed, some questions I would like to ask as well as some things I'd like to point out: Possession: ~Is the consent required IC, or entirely OOC? Shadow-walking: ~Instantaneous travel between areas is possible, however the current spells for such (Teleportation as cast by Mages and Spirit-stepping by Shaman) is a draining feat requiring concentration (as indeed, this form of magic is quite powerful). You are essentially accomplishing this without either of those drawbacks, which I would list as a problem (let's not pretend needing shadows is a drawback, as in 90% of situations finding enough shade to hide your body is very easy to do, and in the remaining 10% it is only slightly more difficult). Mass speech spell: ~There are certain universal limits placed on all long-distance messaging spells. We can adjust these limits to fit your RP, but the concept behind them must remain and must be applied before this spell can be accepted. The idea here is to prevent the spell from being way too powerful (as all magical messaging spells have the potential to be). ~The spell causes deafness to outside sounds for the duration of the conversation, does that mean the people you are contacting are also made deaf? Since the spell targets everyone indiscriminately, does that mean all other members of the cult go deaf regardless of what they are doing? Or just the caster? The Magic in General: ~How will you deal with self-taught individuals that sprout up outside of your cult? For example, Shamanism is a race-centered magic. When someone outside the War Uzg attempts to learn Shamanism, the Shaman launch a crusade against them and eliminate them before they can make any progress. What will be your RP method of keeping this magic limited to your 9-man cult? EDIT: Another question about the communication spell: When you are speaking to the other cultists, can those in your immediate area hear you speaking? Can they see you moving your lips, or is it all done entirely through thought?

For some reason I cannot +1 posts right now, but thank you for this post. These are important things which will need to be covered as we start going over the magic. Excellent post. @Kalenz: Odds are we will do some reviewing of the magic prior to it's completion and return feedback to you as you work on it. Though, noting this is still WIP we will step lightly until we know what you are doing with the lore.

Magic that helps you clean and cook? Yup, I completely understand how you got lasers and alchemy out of that lol :razz:

We will accept this as Magic, but you will have to learn it before using it IC. Some special rules apply to this magic because of it's nature: ~This shall be the "Domestic Subtype" under the Mage/Arcane Archtype. ~Training time for this magic is reduced to 3 days (6 if self taught). ~Any Teacher accepted for teaching the Evocation, Conjuration, Enchanting or Illusion Subtype is permitted to teach the Domestic Subtype. ~The Domestic Subtype is technically just general and very easy-to-use Arcane Archtype magic, and follows the limitations of the Arcane Archtype accordingly. ~Knowledge of the Domestic Subtype does not imply knowledge of the great workings of the Arcane Archtype (traditionally members of an Archtype understand how that Archtype works IC. Mages know they use the Void to cast spells, and that the Void is a realm of thought). Domestic "mages" will not necessarily know/learn this IC, since they are just learning very basic single spells. ~On the Magic App, there are several questions which will not be relevant to Domestic Subtype seekers, as their magic is strictly focused on certain areas of life (such as kitchen work). Therefore, applicants may opt to reply "My magic is not relevant to this question." For any question they feel is irrelevant to their character. If the reviewing Magic Team member feels the question should be answered, they will request it before completing the review.

This is small enough lore that we can probably accept/deny it after a brief review. However, odds are we will not create a new MA for this. Instead, due to the harmless and inconsequential nature of the magic, anyone applying for it would likely be reviewed in a very relaxed manner. The only reason why we wouldn't make a new app entirely would be to help prevent confusion from people who aren't sure where to apply. Hopefully we can respond with accepted/denied in the next day or so.

Accepted by the Magic Team

Magic Team has seen and is reviewing this suggestion.

Hopefully we will also think of a way to grandfather in as many legitimate magic users as possible, but this is a tricky thing that we will have not gone into too much detail with yet.