MamaBearJade 2090 Author Share Posted April 10, 2014 They're ******* horses, we've done far too much to limit horses in the past and we're still doing too much to limit them now. They're not a terribly overpowered MC mech and are completely useless in combat already. First, a horse that can jump around 4-5 blocks is incredibly rare. Breeding, generation by generation, lowers or averages out the jump height, health, and speed, and since there are no wild horses it means that you're very unlikely to find a good one. Simply asking the GMs to remove what good horses people have found already is ridiculous; all this does is benefit you and it also detriments other parts of the playerbase. So I'll just -1 and leave it at this. no, we are asking them to stop making 10 block high SPAWNED in horses that they have to SPECIALLY spawn in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassidic 470 Share Posted April 10, 2014 It literally doesn't matter. You ride a horse to get around. If you can get into 'secret' areas , good job. You've got a good horse. I'll kill you and steal it. <3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neri 3590 Share Posted April 10, 2014 It literally doesn't matter. You ride a horse to get around. If you can get into 'secret' areas , good job. You've got a good horse. I'll kill you and steal it. <3 That's not her point. Her point is that GM's are spawning in things that cannot be obtained legitimately by players. I'm honestly surprised you're okay with letting such practices slide, if Jade's allegations are true of course. LOTC has always striven to keep things fair for players, and this is a serious spanner in the works if true. Horses should spawn rarely in the wilds, not be spawned by GM's. I will be asking GM's about whether this is true, and if so, why they are doing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamaBearJade 2090 Author Share Posted April 10, 2014 That's not her point. Her point is that GM's are spawning in things that cannot be obtained legitimately by players. I'm honestly surprised you're okay with letting such practices slide, if Jade's allegations are true of course. LOTC has always striven to keep things fair for players, and this is a serious spanner in the works if true. Horses should spawn rarely in the wilds, not be spawned by GM's. I will be asking GM's about whether this is true, and if so, why they are doing it. The /only/ way to get these horses is by Spawning in through GM or Admin. They have 8+ block jump height and over 20 hearts in health Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassidic 470 Share Posted April 10, 2014 That's not her point. Her point is that GM's are spawning in things that cannot be obtained legitimately by players. I'm honestly surprised you're okay with letting such practices slide, if Jade's allegations are true of course. LOTC has always striven to keep things fair for players, and this is a serious spanner in the works if true. Horses should spawn rarely in the wilds, not be spawned by GM's. It's the GM's choice. If they want to spawn in horses for players , let 'em. If it goes above the max stats of a normal horse , alright then. I'm okay with this because it doesn't matter to half the server base who know that horses are pointless. They get no-rp killed every ten minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neri 3590 Share Posted April 10, 2014 It's the GM's choice. If they want to spawn in horses for players , let 'em. If it goes above the max stats of a normal horse , alright then. I'm okay with this because it doesn't matter to half the server base who know that horses are pointless. They get no-rp killed every ten minutes. That's not really a very good mindset to have. A horse that can jump 10 blocks could leap over the walls of the High-Elf city, for example. A group of seven people with these horses from a nation could jump over the defenses of a city and slaughter the citizens in a raid. How exactly is this okay? Even in the most minimal of scenarios it's a pretty cheese-y thing for a GM to be doing, in my own opinion. And no, spawning horses for players has always been against the rules. I'd know myself, having both enforced these rules as a GM and having lost a good 8+ horses to crashes / random deaths etc etc. and been refused a reimbursement each time with a flat out refusal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassidic 470 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Adjust your defenses then. Have a hook-like shape to prevent ladders and these new 'steroid' horses. It's more of a challenge to deal with. And lets say you kill these raids , get a GM to claim them as your own. Boom , turn the tables , raid them back. Just deal with the fact that they're there and being used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neri 3590 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Adjust your defenses then. Have a hook-like shape to prevent ladders and these new 'steroid' horses. It's more of a challenge to deal with. And lets say you kill these raids , get a GM to claim them as your own. Boom , turn the tables , raid them back. Just deal with the fact that they're there and being used. Maybe some people don't want to make their homes ugly and their walls a hundred foot tall in order to just catch a break from attacks, especially from magical soaring horses of all things. Maybe this is the exact reason mechanical default was applied in the first place. To stop abuse of a GM-dependant system for personal gain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Womping Wizard 400 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Even in a fantasy setting, a horse that can jump over houses by sheer will whilst standing still wouldn't remotely make sense, 10 meters/33ish feet. Atleast the normal horses make somewhat sense. +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trips 344 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Alright.. so everyone is coming here to say that since it's in MC mechanics, it's okay RPly? Does that also mean, that if I position a fence under a floormat and stand atop it, my character can levitate RPly? It's almost as if saying that since MPM allows you to have wings and be a mermaid freak whatever, you can RP as that freely. No no no no no. RP needs to make sense! Needs to make sense. I don't remember seeing lore for enchanced horses.. and since this kind of 'gene manipulation' isn't open for everyone it shouldn't be done. It's near the line of what we can call abusing, but surely it can be called game-breaking. Why don't we also have diamond armour and weapons since staff can get it in the game, this is almost the same thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassidic 470 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Looking into , mechanical default isn't practical. You want to steal that horse that is basically standing in lava? Sorry , got to get a GM for your mechanical goodness. But , that's not what the thread is about. They may not want that , but they've got to just realize 'oh , well , going to get raided otherwise'. It's tough luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightly11 | lotc_fox 111 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I vote remove them. I don't actually have a legit reason why, I'm just butthurt because someone had a god llama they trampled me with in RP even after I stabbed it a few times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryn Chirr 224 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Funniest moment I've had on the server in a while was when a friend of my character found an abandoned donkey. He checked around. did /seen for the owner, it'd been there 2 days. So he modreq'd to steal the donkey. When he got it, the donkey could jump up into trees and just everywhere. It was a freaking epic donkey! We named it Donkey..and we were sad when he died during the trip to the Fringe. Don't restrict it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorFlam 3447 Share Posted April 10, 2014 make remove. +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geo 1415 Share Posted April 10, 2014 The argument of 'If the GM wants to do it the GM can do it.' Is frankly BS. If I acted like that, doing what I wanted, I'd be banned a minute later. Whoever is doing it is breaking the rules. (Yes, we have rules we follow too, you know.) Nobody is allowed to just spawn items (Or horses) in for players just because THEY felt like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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