A new take on Shaman and adding Trolls

[Baisha 8]

A subrace of Plains Orcs as I described above might make sense, but as Gragarn told me, they risk coming off as "pretty" orcs. And while making a "pretty" subrace might draw in more players, it might ruin the feel of Orcish society.

But I can see Krugmar becoming a bit grassy as it approaches the border of Malinor.

Could you define what you mean by "pretty" orcs? Are you referring to their look, or their architecture?

[Noahjam325 53]

Baisha, I think you're forgetting the part where they're a subrace and not an entirely new nation. I wrote my post in such a way to directly answer your question. I said they would be from the new continent in my post, and I also pointed out they were minimalist and reclusive. Thus they do not have giant cities everywhere, and are not a large bustling nation. These elements specifically are why they are being put in the subrace category. They're not supposed to have huge cities because they're a subrace. With the influx of thousands upon thousands (in story terms) of new people basically crash landing in this new world, their land becomes threatened and they can only find shelter among the orcs. I imagine their leaders having a dozen arena fights with our leaders and we go "wait a minute... the are orcs!" I can't stress enough that I'm not suggesting a new nation, I specifically wrote the suggestion in a way to dissuade that. It's a subrace/culture being added. At absolute most their population amounts to the size of a medium-sized tribe/clan. I imagine their "ghetto" being similar to the nomad village at most. They're a subrace, not a new nation. By the way, we already have a snowy area just south of Krugmar.

My ideal troll is a swamp troll, and combine it with Urara's idea. Big hulking monsters that wade through swamps. We could turn the area where Malinor and Krugmar meet into a swampy area. Where the desert meets the forest. The Trolls would be incredibly useful for both Elves and Orcs. They would constantly have work, and it would fit right into their home territory. Maybe they live in giant mushroom huts. They would have elements that go back to fairy-tale trolls, while adding our own spin to them. They would also help diversify the orcish architecture as well, like the Tundra Orcs.

[Baisha 8]

Baisha, I think you're forgetting the part where they're a subrace and not an entirely new nation. I wrote my post in such a way to directly answer your question. I said they would be from the new continent in my post, and I also pointed out they were minimalist and reclusive. Thus they do not have giant cities everywhere, and are not a large bustling nation. They're not supposed to have huge cities because they're a subrace. With the influx of thousands upon thousands (in story terms) of new people basically crash landing in this new world, their land becomes threatened and they can only find shelter among the orcs. I imagine their leaders having a dozen arena fights with our leaders and we go "wait a minute... the are orcs!" I can't stress enough that I'm not suggesting a new nation, I specifically wrote the suggestion in a way to dissuade that. It's a subrace/culture being added. At absolute most their population amounts to the size of a medium-sized tribe/clan. I imagine their "ghetto" being similar to the nomad village at most. They're a subrace, not a new nation. By the way, we already have a snowy area just south of Krugmar.

My ideal troll is a swamp troll, and combine it with Urara's idea. Big hulking monsters that wade through swamps. We could turn the area where Malinor and Krugmar meet into a swampy area. Where the desert meets the forest. The Trolls would be incredibly useful for both Elves and Orcs. They would constantly have work, and it would fit right into their home territory. Maybe they live in giant mushroom huts. They would have elements that go back to fairy-tale trolls, while adding our own spin to them. They would also help diversify the orcish architecture as well, like the Tundra Orcs.

Yes, I fully understand what you were trying to get across, and I love the idea, but what I was saying was merely just what I feel that concept would evolve into over time. I mean, hey, I could be completely and utterly wrong, but it is just an opinion based on my observations of the average Minecraft player. If it can be kept to what you have in mind, then that would be fantastic and I would completely support it.

[Urahra 5780]

Could you define what you mean by "pretty" orcs? Are you referring to their look, or their architecture?

Tall, lithe, thin in terms of looks. They'd be plains runners, so they'd be built for speed and not for fighting. So they'd have very stereotypically "pretty", lean bodies. No bulging muscles or anything.

[Baisha 8]

Tall, lithe, thin in terms of looks. They'd be plains runners, so they'd be built for speed and not for fighting. So they'd have very stereotypically "pretty", lean bodies. No bulging muscles or anything.

Honestly, I don't really see any problem with it, and if anything it could create just as much tension as any of the other ideas posted thus far could. Your standard Orc could berate them or look down upon them for their emphasis on agility over brute strength, and their generally thinner physiques, much like they do with goblins.

[Urahra 5780]

That's what I put in my original post. Orcs would look down on them for their skinniness. And I guess that even if they have thin supermodel bodies, they can still have ugly faces. So they wouldn't be TOO pretty. Maybe to balance out their "pretty" figures, they can have REALLY repulsive faces.

But I guess people who want to play a "pretty" race wouldn't choose orcs anyway, even if we had a more physically attractive subrace. Those types of people would be elves or humans. Even if Plains Orcs are more conventionally attractive than normal orcs, we'd still get players who legitimately want to be orcs, not just players who want to be pretty and sexy.

[Baisha 8]

That's what I put in my original post. Orcs would look down on them for their skinniness. And I guess that even if they have thin supermodel bodies, they can still have ugly faces. So they wouldn't be TOO pretty. Maybe to balance out their "pretty" figures, they can have REALLY repulsive faces.

But I guess people who want to play a "pretty" race wouldn't choose orcs anyway, even if we had a more physically attractive subrace. Those types of people would be elves or humans. Even if Plains Orcs are more conventionally attractive than normal orcs, we'd still get players who legitimately want to be orcs, not just players who want to be pretty and sexy.

Haha, I dont think we would have to worry about being a "pretty" race, or people wanting to play orcs just to be pretty and sexy, unless of course we just decided that Orcs are green-skinned elves or humans, but I don't see that ever happening, so not much to worry about there!

[Urahra 5780]

One could argue that orcs CAN be sexy. Lots of extremely muscular men walking around shirtless? Or in some cases nearly naked? Sweat glistening on their exotic green skin? Wrestling and flexing their muscles?

Okay...so maybe orcs wouldn't be sexy to straight men, but as a lady, I can say that I heartily approve.

ANYWAY. Back on topic. Subraces. So it seems we all approve of scrapping shamans and nomads. It seems most of us like trolls too. So let's keep thinking about this potential third subrace.

[V0idsoldier 1139]

I have only read the first 2 pages, but perhaps if trolls were to live they would live in the new swamps coming up? If this has been suggested I apologize.

[Jon Evaglno 202]

Trolls... whenever I think of that I imagine this kind of troll:

But all joking aside, this does seem like a good call. The Shamans should definetly be more like the Druids of the Elves. And a new subrace would be good, too. Heh, trolls....

[Sultan 3953]

Why are Lean orcs suppose to be weak and cute??

Shamans are Lean.. and Tall, don't think we see them as weak, goblins are lean.. and small..

so if a lean orc kicks you ass in the arena your going to still think of him as weak ?

it just dose not make sense.

any way if your thinking of Trolls like LOTR Think of an other name for them. Trolls are not going to happen. some guys already have been made fools about before..

and why would Plain Orcs be more friendly to other races that dose not make any sense at all

They have never seen any othere race in there life! even orcs that look like them

when the 3 races come barging in they would be Invaders in there eyes. I would think they would be more Towards aggressive Isolation.

[Urahra 5780]

Okay, then. If you think my ideas are no good, that's fine. :) You probably understand more about the orcs than I do, Mogroka.

That's all I really have to contribute to the discussion, though, so I'll just move on now.

[Sultan 3953]

Okay, then. If you think my ideas are no good, that's fine. :) You probably understand more about the orcs than I do, Mogroka.

That's all I really have to contribute to the discussion, though, so I'll just move on now.

Its not like that.. we are discussing things here.

also Why I said Trolls wont happen its not me. I need to talk to you in Ts so I can explain this to you as it happened before you came to the server.

[moondoggy 27]

the problem with the troll idea is that all these younglings grew up with "troll" as a term for a "jerk". I grew up with scandanavian lore and trolls date back to the middle ages when they would grind up gnomes for pleasure. That and growing up in Northern Michigan we called people from Lower Michigan "trolls" because they lived under the bridge. This was all before cable internet mind you. I have to admit though, the idea of trolls from LotR being Monstrous and the idea of trolls from WoW being like muscular elves have somewhat invaded my thinking. I would be for "swamp orc" or something like that. a forest version of orc who are less heavily muscled but more agile. This way the nomad would stay like a Lotr Troll and a swamp orc would be like a wow troll. Cave Goblins are always ftw:p

Lastly i still feel shaman should be a title and not a subrace. I would understand Shaman as a sub-race if druids were an elvish sub-race and mage was a human sub-race. what would be dwarf? "drunk" ?

[Lexperiments 18]

what would be dwarf? "drunk" ?

Am I da only one dat realizes orcs are as big uf drinkahs as dwarves?