Human Subforums

[Aetosion 2062]

I’m going to be honest: the human subforms are real rough rn. There is a ridiculous number of subforms, because every minor player base feels entitled to one. As a result, it’s incredibly difficult to pay attention to new threads. There are about as many subforms within the human forums as there are in the entire rest of this website. That’s not even taking into account that the vast majority of the subforms are for defunct player bases that have gone extinct. The current navigation map within the human subforms is:

 

Roleplay:

-Human:

--Church of the Canon

---Scripture & Dogma

--Empire of Man

---Kingdom of Haense

----Duchy of Kvazs

----Royal Administration

----Culture and History

---Kingdom of Santegia

----Royal Decrees

----Laws and Legislation

----Old

---Crown of Renatus-Marna

----Crownlands

----Law and Legislation

----Duchy of Adria

----Duchy of Arbor

----March of Ardennes

----March of Styria

----Duchy of Curon

----County of Pembrokeshire

--Principality of Rosenyr

---Royal Decree and Legislation

---Culture

---Religion

---Families

 

 

This has gotten INCREDIBLY out of hand. I am a veteran forum warrior, and I have trouble navigating the maze that is the human subforms. I can hardly imagine what a new player goes through. The human subforms would be far better constructed and much more conducive to solid forum role-play if they were navigable. I’d suggest the following be the fullest extent of the human subforums:

 

Roleplay:

-Human

--Church of the Canon

--Imperial Laws & Legislation

--Culture & History OR Literature

 

 

Each nation tile should then be afforded up to maybe 2 pinned threads within each subforum. An active duchy does not need its own subforum, a nonexistent County certainly does not. The forums used to be much simpler, and were at that time a far easier medium by which one could enrich their role-play experience. This should be the case again.

 

thanks friends,

-aetosion

[Chase 3793]

Preach

[Sky 0]

Every established nation should be allowed to have a sub-forum to keep everything organized. You should know that established nations have several threads dictating government, military, laws, etc.

[Aetosion 2062]

4 hours ago, Sky said:

Every established nation should be allowed to have a sub-forum to keep everything organized. You should know that established nations have several threads dictating government, military, laws, etc.

This is precisely why I’ve recommended at the end of the topic post that each established human nation get up to 2 pins per subforum. In this case, per subforum refers to the recommended subforums at the end of my post with the exception of the Church. Every single human “subnation”, as they’re all politically unified, could easily make do with 2 legal pinned posts, 2 cultural pinned posts, and 2 pinned posts in the general human subforum. To assume that every human duchy needs its own forum is exactly the issue. Because of the same experience you reference, I'm confident that any subnation unable to make do with up to 6 pinned posts distributed across general Human, Law and Legislation, and Culture and History subforums just has a terribly disorganized Scribe or Chancellor. If particularly pressed for space, a pinned post could be made into an index of key posts by a subnation’s leadership. 

 

The human subforum used to be set up more like I was recommending, but now if I’m an RPer in Adria I don't see the day to day activity in Haense or Curon and have to tunnel deep into Church or Imperial subforums to see recent theological or legislative activity. The forums have been Balkanized and this has made them less navigable and dynamic. It’s like massive-map syndrome but for the forums. Spreading everyone out gives each nation more land and autonomy from other nations, but it kills dynamic cross cultural rp,  road rp, and lets far off playerbases rot in their isolation. In the same manner, having 25 subforums instead of 3 has fractured the human playerbase into little tiny slivers of activity instead of meaningful and interacting parts of a whole.

[Sky 0]

1 minute ago, Aetosion said:

Every single human “subnation”, as they’re all politically unified

 

But they aren’t “subnations”, each nation is run independently with zero oversight, so I don’t see why they should be forced to only have two threads each? It’s fine the way it is and doesn’t take more than another click to look in the other sub-forums.

[Aetosion 2062]

16 minutes ago, Sky said:

 

But they aren’t “subnations”, each nation is run independently with zero oversight, so I don’t see why they should be forced to only have two threads each? It’s fine the way it is and doesn’t take more than another click to look in the other sub-forums.

Anyone can feasibly navigate the 25 human subforums, it’s just a pain in the arse that discourages anyone actually attempting to do so. It isolates playerbases and makes the forum less usable. Splitting the subforums into General human, Church, Law, and Culture and alotting pinned posts (which is similar to how the forums used to be organized until greedy nation leaders like me 5 years ago started complaining that they needed their own subforums) would provide a similar level of organization, actually encourage dynamic and cross cultural rp, and make the human subforum far more navigable and usable for new players.

 

 

 

[Sky 0]

We are just going to have to agree to disagree then, I simply refuse to have any of my nation’s threads in a subforum that someone else has control over and can dictate whether or not it gets archived. I also prefer being able to be organized and let the people of a singular nation click on their nation’s sub-forum and only get given things relevant to them, instead of being overwhelmed by stuff that doesn’t concern them. It’s nice to see you back Aetosian, but mate you are so out of the loop, sorry man.

[Aetosion 2062]

24 minutes ago, Sky said:

We are just going to have to agree to disagree then, I simply refuse to have any of my nation’s threads in a subforum that someone else has control over and can dictate whether or not it gets archived. I also prefer being able to be organized and let the people of a singular nation click on their nation’s sub-forum and only get given things relevant to them, instead of being overwhelmed by stuff that doesn’t concern them. It’s nice to see you back Aetosian, but mate you are so out of the loop, sorry man.

 

We seem to disagree principally on the number of pinned threads a duchy needs, and whether or not 25 subforums are needed to organize the human forums. This is an opinion even a wandering soul could easily develop from trying to navigate the forums. It is not something I could possibly be “out of the loop" on, that's just a veiled ad hominem attack. Since I have been back, I’ve been active in my duchy’s administration and in imperial parliament. Nothing has indicated to me that there is a need to subdivide the human subforums into 25 small fractions. Rather, I have simply been amazed by how long it takes my shitty computer to get all the way from the Adrian subforum, to a Church Dogma post, or a wedding announcement in Haense. The forum layout is artificially isolating human playerbases. If indeed you feel as if I’ve returned to the server too recently to have an ‘educated opinion’, then take my testimony to be that of a new player completely confused by a mess of 25 subforums within a subforum.
 
The only two concerns you’ve raised are that you don't want another nation leader dictating when your threads are archived, and that you don't want to see other players’ rp posts. To the first point, human subnation leaders should have control over their pinned threads in the same way they presently have control over subforums. This would be no more difficult to enforce from a Moderation perspective. A nation should become nonexistent before another nation leader could recommend the removal of a pinned post, just like the removal of a subforum. Otherwise, the forums should be moderated by the FM team not a national administration anyways, just like the general Human subforum is. To your second point, in which you suggest you wouldn't want to see other players’ rp if it's not immediately relevant to your character, I suppose we do have to agree to disagree. 

 

[rukio 8924]

Duchy/barony subforums should be removed. Places like Haense and Renatus should keep their subforums. I’m sorry if you think it would make things easier but it would complicate it from both a staff and a nation perspective.

 

From what you’ve posted:

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Roleplay:

-Human:

--Church of the Canon

---Scripture & Dogma

--Empire of Man

---Kingdom of Haense

----Duchy of Kvazs

----Royal Administration

----Culture and History

---Kingdom of Santegia

----Royal Decrees

----Laws and Legislation

----Old

---Crown of Renatus-Marna

----Crownlands

----Law and Legislation

----Duchy of Adria

----Duchy of Arbor

----March of Ardennes

----March of Styria

----Duchy of Curon

----County of Pembrokeshire

--Principality of Rosenyr

---Royal Decree and Legislation

---Culture

---Religion

---Families

 

 

 

I would argue that

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Roleplay:

-Human:

--Religions, Dogma, and Scriptures

--Empire of Man

---Kingdom of Haense

----Royal Administration

----Culture and History

---Crown of Renatus-Marna

----Law and Legislation

----Culture and History

--Principality of Rosenyr

---Royal Decree and Legislation

---Culture and History

Would reduce the amount of subforums considerably and still allow the three main human ‘kingdoms’ to have their own subforum. Thoughts? I changed the Canon subforum to religion however, as Red Faith (albeit not as popular currently) and whatever Rosenyr practice for faith exist, it is no longer just Canonism that human roleplayers can/do follow.

 

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If we’re going to complain about too many roleplay subforums then why do we have two Nordengrad subforums?

https://www.lordofthecraft.net/forums/forum/994-nordengrad/

https://www.lordofthecraft.net/forums/forum/954-earldom-of-nordengrad/

As well as dead nations/settlements

https://www.lordofthecraft.net/forums/forum/919-daeland/

https://www.lordofthecraft.net/forums/forum/964-barony-of-herz/

https://www.lordofthecraft.net/forums/forum/981-the-rasdom-of-méllé/

https://www.lordofthecraft.net/forums/forum/613-chiefdom-of-warhawkes/

https://www.lordofthecraft.net/forums/forum/986-ettindom-af-aurvengr/

Et cetera. Sorry if your settlement was listed, I picked some which I’d never heard of/knew they’d been inactive for quite a while.

 

I personally don’t find issue with the human subsection having more subforums due to the fact it’s just a common place for people to go. Humans are generic and comfortable, thus a lot of people end up their and end up forming their own nations/settlements over time. I do agree that it needs a bit of cleaning, but I’d rather see the changes I wanted for the archive to be worked on before the amount of roleplay subforums is reduced.

 

Sorry if what I said is written weirdly. It’s 5 am. I don’t care anymore.

[Ajax 335]

+1 big brain shec at it again with a good roast session. 

[Aetosion 2062]

@rukio – I’m not sure if Rosenyr or Haense is any more populous or autonomous than one of the imperial duchies like Curon or Adria, not quite sure they need their own subforum either. I think a more substantial reduction of the subforums would be beneficial, but 12 subforums is certainly better than 25.

[rukio 8924]

1 hour ago, Aetosion said:

@rukio – I’m not sure if Rosenyr or Haense is any more populous or autonomous than one of the imperial duchies like Curon or Adria, not quite sure they need their own subforum either. I think a more substantial reduction of the subforums would be beneficial, but 12 subforums is certainly better than 25.

If you can’t acknowledge that Rosenyr needs it’s own subforum considering it’s not under the Empire of Man then your argument is invalid overall, considering elves have 5 or 6 nations with subforums. Haense is under the Empire of Man but it isn’t a duchy. It’s led by a an acknowledged king. Rosenyr’s activity I can’t speak on, as I refuse to involve myself with that group of players. Haense however, is overall active but like most settlements there are going to be fewer people on with how close we are to the map change, it not being summer anymore etc. I’m glad you think 12 subforums is better than 25 though, even if the amount of subforums shouldn’t be the sole defining feature of what stays and goes. Human rp has changed since you left, welcome back though.

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