PrimnyaQuorum 4003 Share Posted December 30, 2024 ITALICIZED or BOLDED Text are changed, STRIKETHROUGH Text is removed. Pasted Text has been shortened from the page’s full mechanics + redlines to emphasis altered text’s location and scale. Water Evocation: Explanation Spoiler - Secondly, like natural water Voidal water is at room temperature and is flowy, fluid and mostly transparent. It behaves in much the same way as springwater physically and chemically, with the exception of situations where its magical origin may invoke interactions such as coming into contact with Thanhium, Auric oil, and so on as specified in their associated lorepieces. Regardless, water will always put out fire unless it is unnaturally hot such as Voidal Blue fire and Dragonflame which will cause it to evaporate as it normally would. Malflame and Azdrazi Flame, as specified in lore, will be put out after 1 emote of exposure. A mage may choose to weave visible but minute strands of their aura into conjured water for aesthetic preferences albeit only to such an extent. Vortex Spoiler Shield entails the mage forming a shield of gyrating water and though it is hopeless against direct explosions and melee strikes, it is especially effective against small projectiles up to crossbow speed such as arrows, bolts, potions without explosive effects and so forth (splash effect potions are still blocked). For instance, this means the shield is immediately broken by blasting potions but is still effective against tanglefoot. Vortex, unlike air-shield, is also particularly effective against stream-type attacks like Flamethrowers and Smokestreams, capable of nullifying their effect so long as the shield is kept up. However, stronger stream-type attacks the likes of blue-fire and dragonsflame (NOT malflame or Azdrazi Flame) immediately vaproize water shield after 1 emote. Ice: Vortex Shield manifests as a solid translucent shield of ice inferior in durability to earth but leagues above water. This shield overrides the projectile repelling effects of water with flat defense which can sustain 2 blunt strikes from a heavy hammer, strong sharp strikes like pickaxes or direct explosions. Normal temperature fire thaws this shield in 4 emotes however dragonfire and blue fire does this in 2 emotes. This modifier has no effect on Vortex Pool. Redlines: - Shield must be telegraphed by water beginning to swirl in front of the mage and gradually form a barrier that grows in density throughout channeling until fully cast. - Shield is ineffective against direct melee strikes which may be slightly cushioned but will still pass through the barrier, and is entirely ineffective against explosive attacks or potions but holds against ordinary projectiles. Projectiles travelling at longbow or crank crossbow speeds bypass water shield. - Stronger stream-type attacks the likes of blue-fire and dragonsflame (NOT malflame or azdrazi flame) immediately vaproize water shield after 1 emote. - Shield cannot be used to deflect projectiles back at targets and only negates them by either flinging them elsewhere or cushioning it. Purpose: Voidcel cope RAAAAAAAAAAA If drazilore considers its own fire only normally hot, then it shouldn't be defined as "unnaturally hot" by Water Evocation. PrimnyaQuorum - Writer 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StingyParrot 1595 Share Posted December 30, 2024 YES THIS MADE NO SENSE BEFORE LESSER DRAGONSFLAME AINT NO HOTTER THAN NORMAL FIRE 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geckonawa 561 Share Posted December 30, 2024 Well, according to vehement smithing... "The draconic being present will breathe dragons flame once upon the ore chunk, rapidly heating the stone to a shocking 5,990°F (3,310°C or 3,583.15K)." So about as hard as a rock. I hope this helps. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xo31 3984 Share Posted December 30, 2024 if I say I disagree can I join the azdrazi ? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimnyaQuorum 4003 Author Share Posted December 30, 2024 6 minutes ago, Geckonawa said: Well, according to vehement smithing... "The draconic being present will breathe dragons flame once upon the ore chunk, rapidly heating the stone to a shocking 5,990°F (3,310°C or 3,583.15K)." So about as hard as a rock. I hope this helps. Drazi Lore is more recent [July 2024] then smithing [July 2021] and Vehenemt smithing itself is a inherently non-combative process. I don't think anyone minds what draziflame is outside of combat, since the intent of this amendment is for comabative interactions of dflame and water evo (which is a primary weakness to drazi via water/ice) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
𝑓𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑎𝑙𝑠 818 Share Posted December 30, 2024 Does this mean water evo would evaporate dragonsflame from lesser dragonkin as well such as wyverns, dragons, drakes, wyrms, etc etc as they are all the same kind of dragonsflame as far as I'm aware. A bit of a crazy buff IMO. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geckonawa 561 Share Posted December 30, 2024 We do also make our weapons all fiery and turn things to slag when we hit them so it sure seems like dragonsflame is hotter. Or maybe it's just that it's so much more magical for some reason. Who knows, really. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aehkaj 1244 Share Posted December 30, 2024 If anything needs an ammendment its dflame saying it's regular fire because that's probably post buff dflame 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimnyaQuorum 4003 Author Share Posted December 30, 2024 9 minutes ago, ibleesian said: Does this mean water evo would evaporate dragonsflame from lesser dragonkin as well such as wyverns, dragons, drakes, wyrms, etc etc as they are all the same kind of dragonsflame as far as I'm aware. A bit of a crazy buff IMO. I had hoped through Lesser Dragonsflame I was specifying Azdrazi Dragonsflame - I assume any other Dragonsflame is a ET resource and they don’t adhere to standard lore. If this is not the case please let me know how to refer to azdrazi fire specifically 5 minutes ago, Geckonawa said: We do also make our weapons all fiery and turn things to slag when we hit them so it sure seems like dragonsflame is hotter. Or maybe it's just that it's so much more magical for some reason. Who knows, really. idk man the overarching dflame redline is that it’s not hotter then normally fire, which I’d assume is more overhead then spell specific “melts metal over X emotes” interactions with metals that’s being extrapolated. Either way it’s a inconsistency in addressing from the water evo side 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimnyaQuorum 4003 Author Share Posted December 30, 2024 15 minutes ago, Aehkaj said: If anything needs an ammendment its dflame saying it's regular fire because that's probably post buff dflame I can’t find anything supporting this in the drazi buff from Apothesis but I have 0 issue with that tbh, I just would like the interaction to be clear either way across both pages 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metamancy 1774 Share Posted December 31, 2024 i always love ur little amendments, keep it up 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tough Guy 4319 Share Posted December 31, 2024 hey azdrazi gang how do we get this denied and make an amendment where our fire becomes hotter combatively? Our CA is really weak. 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam33497 7356 Share Posted December 31, 2024 22 hours ago, ibleesian said: Does this mean water evo would evaporate dragonsflame from lesser dragonkin as well such as wyverns, dragons, drakes, wyrms, etc etc as they are all the same kind of dragonsflame as far as I'm aware. A bit of a crazy buff IMO. #1 Azdrazi Lore Defender, your time is running out, hold onto what you can. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowj 9760 Share Posted December 31, 2024 everyone try not to powergame challenge [impossible] On 12/30/2024 at 4:54 PM, PrimnyaQuorum said: Drazi Lore is more recent [July 2024] then smithing [July 2021] and Vehenemt smithing itself is a inherently non-combative process. I don't think anyone minds what draziflame is outside of combat, since the intent of this amendment is for comabative interactions of dflame and water evo (which is a primary weakness to drazi via water/ice) it was reposted recently, not made recently, they just reposted it coz spoons posted the lore 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islamadon 9158 Share Posted January 5, 2025 This lore has been denied. ST do not want this interaction because Dragonsflame is meant to break down mana to a degree. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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