A Human High Prince?

[Urahra 5777]

((My opinion is that the elves at large should accept you as High Prince before you start wearing the title.

Also, OOCly, it might cause some confusion. People might think YOU were the elf leader instead of Indelwehn. We still have a patriarchal mindset and people might think "Oh, he's the Prince and she's the Princess, so therefore he has to be the main ruler." I think it would be good if you didn't wear the title.

Of course, it is up to the elves entirely. I prefer the orc method, where we earn our titles through our deeds and don't just "marry" into them.))

[Sirbubbley 26]

this may have been stated but in elven government we do not give roles based on marital sttaus

[Bircalin 332]

((My opinion is that the elves at large should accept you as High Prince before you start wearing the title.

Also, OOCly, it might cause some confusion. People might think YOU were the elf leader instead of Indelwehn. We still have a patriarchal mindset and people might think "Oh, he's the Prince and she's the Princess, so therefore he has to be the main ruler." I think it would be good if you didn't wear the title.

Of course, it is up to the elves entirely. I prefer the orc method, where we earn our titles through our deeds and don't just "marry" into them.))

Don't get me wrong, I refuse to be seen as a power hungry person. I believe entirely in earning your respect and reaping what you sow. But I was asked many'a'time if I was the High Prince and this was a way of asking myself " Am I? ". Presently, I AM still Bircalin and I have no intention of handing myself the title because I am married to Indelwehn. I understand people might misinterpret this whole thing as me asking to become High Prince. This isn't the case. I'm simply asking, " Am I? " " Should I? " " Can I?"

[Destroyer_Bravo 1054]

Some of you may remember the Dwarves once had an Elven Queen. Take that as a footnote.

((I was like "An Elven Queen of Kal'Urguan?" when I figured out that Saffron was an elf, and Algrim's wife))

[Destroyer_Bravo 1054]

Bircalin is worthy as High Prince, but I hope that the Elves stay Allies with the, Orcs.

What?! Ye' WANT to be allies wit' thee Orcs?!

[the GOAT of the craft 606]

I have seen you around many times Bircalin, though I have never met you personally. From what I have seen from you, you are worthy of taking on the role of High Prince. I was there when you defended Galahar from the Undead. I saw you as a Druid, and a damn good one at that. I saw you in the keep when Indelwehn was injured, and how much that incident had hurt you. Yet you still went to fight.

To me, you have proved yourself. To me, you are an Elf. I would welcome you with open arms of you were to call yourself High Prince. You are evidently a loyal follower of Malinor, and I believe Malin would smile upon you.

[Bircalin 332]

I have seen you around many times Bircalin, though I have never met you personally. From what I have seen from you, you are worthy of taking on the role of High Prince. I was there when you defended Galahar from the Undead. I saw you as a Druid, and a damn good one at that. I saw you in the keep when Indelwehn was injured, and how much that incident had hurt you. Yet you still went to fight.

To me, you have proved yourself. To me, you are an Elf. I would welcome you with open arms of you were to call yourself High Prince. You are evidently a loyal follower of Malinor, and I believe Malin would smile upon you.

Much appreciated, friend. Your support comes as a great perk to me. A "pick-me-up" of sorts. Said perks are precious gems in such dark times. It reminds me of a popular phrase I live by. " No matter how dim, all light shines within the dark.

[empirerebel 305]

I am all for it, I have known Bircalin for a few decades and he is a great leader. He may be a human, but what is the big deal? Why is it a problem someone is a human and a prince of the elves? Is there something wrong with humans?

[Haelphon 407]

Whoever above stated that marriage in the Elven Lands of Malinor does not equate to power would be correct. Hypothetically if someone married a Prince/Princess in the Elven government it would not equate to power within the government. However again Bircalin is correct to a point. High Prince Native's wife, Soriuss was indeed a princess, but she held absolutely no power within the government. Her title of princess was an honorary one. Therefore if we go off precedence Bircalin could indeed call himself the High Prince if he wished but he would hold no power within the government of Malinor.

OOC:

For all of those who didn't follow up there, Bircalin would pretty much take on the role of the Queen of England. He would hold no power in government but have an honorary title. More of a morale booster if you will.

I disagree entirely with your statement.

OOC: Regardless, even in Real life, If a king gets married, the woman is the queen.

[Lafthi Sylvari 12]

It's not really agreeing or disagreeing, these are simply the laws of Malinor. If you wish, the council can change it, but under the current laws, marriage to a political figure does not equate to political power.

[Bircalin 332]

Indelwehn and I came to the conclusion, that IF I was to become High Prince. We would share responsibilties. Covering a huger range of issues that may otherwise be overlooked. We deemed it appropriate, that I would oversee more macabre "grizzly" happenings. Such as War, the current issue regarding Wardens.We both see fit I keep an eye on finances and economy as Indelwehn has a habit of either spending her entire life savings or losing some mina from sheer clumsiness! Back on topic, mainly things occuring outside of Malinor's land. Or as of recently IN Malinor's land. Indelwehn would cover topics such as housing, guilds, businesses.

This is just how we would wish to go about things again, IF I were to be granted the title.

[Lafthi Sylvari 12]

The problem with that is, the laws do not currently allow this type of setup. If the council wished we could change the laws to allow marriage equating to power, but we would have to have a debate and a vote on it in a meeting. If either Indelwehn or Haelphon want to change this law, simply call a meeting.

[Bircalin 332]

Well I respect the Council's authority, wisdom and power enough to know not to intervene. I leave the decision to them to conclude this tangle of debates.

[Dat Burkester 101]

Personally I don't think you should because the princess will be mine one day.

[Bircalin 332]

Until that day, I'll keep her warm for ye'!