Creation Or Evolution? Vote!

[Alurid 99]

You guys want to know what the best belief is? Believe in yourself :D

[Rhett Woods 3]

You guys want to know what the best belief is? Believe in yourself :D

Self-sufficiency is the quickest way to destruction. If you believe only in your infallible and incapable self, you will let yourself down eventually.

[JtPv 140]

Forgive me for not reading all 31 pages but I would like to correct a few things here and there.

1) The Vatican has stated that the Big Bang Theory does not contradict religion, and it is permitted to believe in it.

2) The theory of evolution is frowned upon.

Those are the two things I wanted to fix.

[Space 2335]

Forgive me for not reading all 31 pages but I would like to correct a few things here and there.

1) The Vatican has stated that the Big Bang Theory does not contradict religion, and it is permitted to believe in it.

2) The theory of evolution is frowned upon.

Those are the two things I wanted to fix.

Vatican actually has an observatory.

[JtPv 140]

Vatican actually has an observatory.

I...I know this...

[Space 2335]

I...I know this...

Holy ****. I apologize for not knowing every fact that you know.

[JtPv 140]

Holy ****. I apologize for not knowing every fact that you know.

The Vatican observatory is the one who proposed the idea. The same thing you replied

[Space 2335]

Forgive me for not reading all 31 pages but I would like to correct a few things here and there.

1) The Vatican has stated that the Big Bang Theory does not contradict religion, and it is permitted to believe in it.

2) The theory of evolution is frowned upon.

Those are the two things I wanted to fix.

Elaborate, if you will. Do they believe the big bang was 'day 1'?

[Thrym 188]

Alright, I'm going to start off by saying that I cannot prove creation. However, evolution cannot be proved either. Now, for some reasons that I think evolution can't work.

• The sea gets small amounts of salt building up in it each year. If the world was as old as evolution states the oceans would have enough salt in them to walk across.

• The moon moves a small distance from the earth each year. If the world is as old as evolution states then the moon would have been scraping its surface in the beginning, successfully killing any animal that tried to climb out of the sea

• It is basically a mathematical impossibility that even ONE protein would have been successfully created in the primordial soup, let alone enough to create a living organism. If you think about it, it makes more sense that a creator designed life rather than a soup that mathematically shouldn't have made anything was the start.

• Law of Conservation of Matter says matter is never created or destroyed. The Big Bang theory is basically saying there was nothing but perhaps some particles. Somehow two particles in this nothing hit each other, blew up and managed to somehow create everything. In my mind it makes much more sense to believe in a creator than this. I can't prove a creator exists, I can't explain how he came to be or anything else. But, there is just as much in evolution, if not more, that cannot be explained. So, looking at the two, creation just makes more sense.

[JtPv 140]

Elaborate, if you will. Do they believe the big bang was 'day 1'?

The Bible says the universe was created in seven days. How could their have been days with no sun? And what about the areas with no light. Their are no days there. The Vatican Observatory proposed that the Big Bang is entirely compatible with the Bible. They gave up on a word for word description of creation a while back. I don't understand why people think science and religion are incompatible. They are not incompatible, but two ends to the same story. I can see why evolutionists have grudges against us, but we have none against them. We give to the poor, we take care of the homeless, and we encourage good. And we are hated because of this. We are hated because we are sinners and even some priests have fallen deep into sin (yes, I am targeting the pedophiles). A Christian is not someone who says they are Christian so they don't go to hell, they are someone who practices the ways of good. Even then, works alone will not get you into heaven as some believe. Now, to finish off this wall of text, I wonder how many people are still throwing fits about La Purga. :-?

[PtahWithin 1320]

Alright, I'm going to start off by saying that I cannot prove creation. However, evolution cannot be proved either. Now, for some reasons that I think evolution can't work.

• The sea gets small amounts of salt building up in it each year. If the world was as old as evolution states the oceans would have enough salt in them to walk across.

• The moon moves a small distance from the earth each year. If the world is as old as evolution states then the moon would have been scraping its surface in the beginning, successfully killing any animal that tried to climb out of the sea

• It is basically a mathematical impossibility that even ONE protein would have been successfully created in the primordial soup, let alone enough to create a living organism. If you think about it, it makes more sense that a creator designed life rather than a soup that mathematically shouldn't have made anything was the start.

• Law of Conservation of Matter says matter is never created or destroyed. The Big Bang theory is basically saying there was nothing but perhaps some particles. Somehow two particles in this nothing hit each other, blew up and managed to somehow create everything. In my mind it makes much more sense to believe in a creator than this. I can't prove a creator exists, I can't explain how he came to be or anything else. But, there is just as much in evolution, if not more, that cannot be explained. So, looking at the two, creation just makes more sense.

• Three things. Those same amounts of salt also can re-dissolve into the ocean. It is a property of a solution in equilibrium. The rate of sodium being dumped into the sea itself has not always been the same. You are assuming there is no method through which salt can be removed from the ocean.

• You are right: it was actually 'scraping' the surface of the earth. While the earth was still forming, it collided with a mars-sized protoplanet. The earth assimilated much of the shattered rock after recollecting itself through gravity, while another body very close to it formed from the leftovers: the moon. And since then it has indeed been moving ever so slightly away from us each year, yes.

• You are attacking the wrong theory. The Theory of Abiogenesis says that the first lifeforms emerged from the primordial organic soup of ancient earth. The Theory of Evolution says that species change over time, and by extrapolation that all life on earth has a common ancestor - evolution itself says absolutely nothing about where this first lifeform came from or how it came to be. A Christian could even say God put that first lifeform there, but that's another debate entirely. This whole argument is - the origin of life is not a part of evolutionary theory, and so is not a part of this debate. You are free to make a new debate topic about the origin of life.

• This has absolutely nothing to do with evolution. Again, evolution says nothing about the origin of life, and for that matter it says nothing about the origin of the universe. The Big Bang theory is our best attempt at answering the latter of those two, and is supported by all scientific data. Yet again, this has nothing to do with evolution and so would need a debate topic all of its own.

[JtPv 140]

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My God, you just destroyed this thread.

[Space 2335]

The Bible says the universe was created in seven days. How could their have been days with no sun? And what about the areas with no light. Their are no days there. The Vatican Observatory proposed that the Big Bang is entirely compatible with the Bible. They gave up on a word for word description of creation a while back. I don't understand why people think science and religion are incompatible. They are not incompatible, but two ends to the same story. I can see why evolutionists have grudges against us, but we have none against them. We give to the poor, we take care of the homeless, and we encourage good. And we are hated because of this. We are hated because we are sinners and even some priests have fallen deep into sin (yes, I am targeting the pedophiles). A Christian is not someone who says they are Christian so they don't go to hell, they are someone who practices the ways of good. Even then, works alone will not get you into heaven as some believe. Now, to finish off this wall of text, I wonder how many people are still throwing fits about La Purga. :-?

It's not that 'atheists' (which is the belief that there is no god, not a cult of non-godness) hate you brownie baking 60 year old grandmothers that had no access to anythign otehr then creation. Or even the people that don't try to force their religion on others (or really try to argue it, because it's a lost cause. but that may be personal opinion). No, I just think you all should open your eyes to the evidence. If religion makes you devote your life to going to an African village to become a volunteer, cool. If you go there to convert everyone, then I have a problem.

Bascially, your ethics aren't 'hated'. It's just the fact that your belief has so much evidence against it you can say, 95% sure, that it's ALL BS. 99.9% sure that the bible is probably wrong. We're 0.033333333 etc percent sure that YOUR god is not a god if there is ag ay, becasue there's around 3000 gods (of major religions) and all of them have equal evidence - None.

And Thrym... What Ptah said. So much.

Oh, and, on Moron-- Mormons.

It is SO obviously false. A group of Isrealites met Jesus first and then migrated SOMEHOW (Egyptians could not have crossed oceans) to America and made a city. And then an angel met up with directions to a book written in Egytian hieroglyphs and a CON ARTIST (Yes, the translator Smith guy was a con artist) and he somehow translates it.

And not to mention they think that black people are full of sin and, honestly, if the black people become 'good' then they can freaking turn white. It just is crazy how insane that religion is yet people still follow it.

Oh wait, that's all religions.

[Nefarious Aus Shitpost 891]

Now, now Space, calm the f--- down. We understand that you are some wannabee uber atheistic badass, but you're really not, you are being the exact same thing you claim to hate. Atheism, if you really look at it from an objective stand point is really nothing more then a religion of no deities. When something becomes a God in your life, it is when it occupies more then a healthy amount of a persons time and mind. People like you have allowed atheism to become their 'God' because really, you probably spend more time talking about God then I do, a practicing and devout Catholic. Let these pictures that came up on my Facebook wall sum it up:

(please note, I am in no way suggesting you are a fat, ugly basement nerd)

For the record, creation. I have yet to see any evidence that can sway me from my point.

[Evilbanana5757 154]

Aliens.