Creation Or Evolution? Vote!

[cmf95 39]

I believe that a "creator" of some sort, like god or some other deity, put "something" here to evolve into us.

[Destroyer_Bravo 1054]

That's not a very good reason to be atheist.

Be a atheist because it's the only thing any regularly evolved human being would believe in.

But religion is pointless. And there are more reasons why I think a god is a stupid belief. That included. Summing up religion in two words: Scientific Substitute. You cannot argue religion being true, the atheist will always win, because he has science that all can agree on, while the believer has only religious information not all follow.

[Ned Lud 1260]

For those of you that say that religion is filthy, disgusting and pointless, sure it is, humans created it and humans are filthy, disgusting and pointless creatures. Garbage in, garbage out. The churches will be among the first to burn when it all goes down and whatever gods may be will be laughing all the while.

It is actually rare to see a regularly evolved human being take to atheism. Regularly evolved human beings cling to religion. It's what they are socialized to do. If humans did not develop a system of beliefs by which to control one another, they would be killing, raping and mutilating one another like cave men. Thanks to religion, now we kill, rape and mutilate one another like gentlemen. It's a very natural path for man to take.

By talking down on religion, you are actually taking a very cynical stance on your own atheist beliefs, as religion is and always will be an essential element in mankind's evolution. The success or failure of humanity will be defined by how well we balance our stupid beliefs with science.

[CraftPrime 35]

For those of you that say that religion is filthy, disgusting and pointless, sure it is, humans created it and humans are filthy, disgusting and pointless creatures. Garbage in, garbage out. The churches will be among the first to burn when it all goes down and whatever gods may be will be laughing all the while.

It is actually rare to see a regularly evolved human being take to atheism. Regularly evolved human beings cling to religion. It's what they are socialized to do. If humans did not develop a system of beliefs by which to control one another, they would be killing, raping and mutilating one another like cave men. Thanks to religion, now we kill, rape and mutilate one another like gentlemen. It's a very natural path for man to take.

By talking down on religion, you are actually taking a very cynical stance on your own atheist beliefs, as religion is and always will be an essential element in mankind's evolution. The success or failure of humanity will be defined by how well we balance our stupid beliefs with science.

Balance is key.

[Space 2335]

For those of you that say that religion is filthy, disgusting and pointless, sure it is, humans created it and humans are filthy, disgusting and pointless creatures. Garbage in, garbage out. The churches will be among the first to burn when it all goes down and whatever gods may be will be laughing all the while.

It is actually rare to see a regularly evolved human being take to atheism. Regularly evolved human beings cling to religion. It's what they are socialized to do. If humans did not develop a system of beliefs by which to control one another, they would be killing, raping and mutilating one another like cave men. Thanks to religion, now we kill, rape and mutilate one another like gentlemen. It's a very natural path for man to take.

By talking down on religion, you are actually taking a very cynical stance on your own atheist beliefs, as religion is and always will be an essential element in mankind's evolution. The success or failure of humanity will be defined by how well we balance our stupid beliefs with science.

K. So, sure, I kind a agree with you. But not really . Religion helped our morals. But it also destroyed them. Civilizations change religions. Romans went from their greek-every-country-they-conquer-religion to christianity, morals changed. Some for the worse.

But nowadays, we have pretty even morals throughout the world. Religion is stopping scientific progress

[Yoff 328]

We were made by other roleplayers who play us so well, that we end up having feelings and emotions. And those annoying people they are made to make the RP better.

[Wavejammers 328]

But nowadays, we have pretty even morals throughout the world. Religion is stopping scientific progress

THIS THIS THIS THIS!!!1

[deathmetus 152]

Anyone for Pascal's Wager?

1. 
   
   
2. "God is, or He is not"
   
3. A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up.
   
4. According to reason, you can defend either of the propositions.
   
5. You must wager. (It's not optional.)
   
6. Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.
   
7. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.
   

-Wanted to add more but really couldn't, I did read through the whole thread. . . too much-

Bah, but I do believe that Science is the more advanced way to explain, define, and advance the world further. Religion is lovely, but it should not stop progress, ergo Evolution is a viable explanation to how humanity has come to be as it has, but religion is still worth believing in. (Even though many would than say I am not a true believer, still what do you have to lose really?)

[Campor 28]

The whole idea behind Pascal's wager is ridiculous.

If there really was an all-knowing deity, they'd know you only claimed to believe in their existence purely to avoid punishment if you're wrong. Honestly, if there was a deity that decided non-believers should be punished/sent to hell/whatever simply for not believing in their existence, I'd rather NOT believe they exist purely to have a more positive outlook on life. I'd rather believe something that petty and vindictive can only be human.

If I were ever to believe in a God or deity, I'd rather be convinced that one exists that doesn't damn good people just because they didn't believe in the right thing. I feel only humanity and religious leaders are so idiotic as to think 'If they don't believe what I do, they are worth less than me.'

[deathmetus 152]

The whole idea behind Pascal's wager is ridiculous.

If there really was an all-knowing deity, they'd know you only claimed to believe in their existence purely to avoid punishment if you're wrong. Honestly, if there was a deity that decided non-believers should be punished/sent to hell/whatever simply for not believing in their existence, I'd rather NOT believe they exist purely to have a more positive outlook on life. I'd rather believe something that petty and vindictive can only be human.

If I were ever to believe in a God or deity, I'd rather be convinced that one exists that doesn't damn good people just because they didn't believe in the right thing. I feel only humanity and religious leaders are so idiotic as to think 'If they don't believe what I do, they are worth less than me.'

I will state that not all religions have non-believers go to hell, in fact some lack what happens to non-believers or even just state that one must live a good life in order to move on to whatever be the afterlife/rebirth/enlightenment/what have you. Point of fact I'm not a Christian, my point is there seems to be no negative aspect to entertaining the idea that a God might exist and an afterlife might exist. In fact in the Jewish religion the idea of getting to the afterlife does not actually require one to be religious, but to be a good and just person within one's lifetime. If one's deeds outweigh one's misdeeds then they may go to Paradise. In all my life I have never been told that it required to be a devout follower to reach an "afterlife." Honestly doesn't the benefit outweigh the cost to believe in a God existing and living a good and moral life (Since it seems that most would prefer to live a good and moral life anyways) in order to possibly reach an afterlife that may or may not exist?

Edit: Also in further consideration perhaps another way of looking at it is that if you don't believe perhaps you will it not to exist for you. Perhaps it is the belief as we die that creates the existence of an afterlife as we die? Food for thought. . .

[Space 2335]

Pascals wager is stupid, because the amount of gods is limitless, so by chosing just one you're not gonna achieve anything.

[deathmetus 152]

Pascals wager is stupid, because the amount of gods is limitless, so by chosing just one you're not gonna achieve anything.

Believing in a God(ess) seems sufficient enough, who cares which one. Most promise an afterlife of some kind, take your pick, that's the idea. And to make a point I never specified which one I picked. (Yes Pascal's Wager traditionally does imply Christianity or the God of the Abrahamic Religions, but I never specified.) So I must state that Pascal's Wager can apply to any God, but please if you wish to continue a discussion on Pascal's Wager then by all means PM me, but the importance of this debate is specifically towards Evolution vs. Creationism (and other such things) and I do apologize for bringing this once again off topic.

[Space 2335]

No, this is what the debate is about. Almost every christian religion/other religion says if you don't believe in that specific god you're gonna die. So you're gonna have to pick wisely. Just believing in a god aint gon' do you good.

So to believe because almost certainly knowing that the end is the end is just dumb. You're making a arguement out of ignorance. A arguement from no knowledge. To deny all the evidence of evolution and the big bang is just the most horrible thing. Religion should be a form of child abuse. You think you grow up thinking that some mighty god lives in the sky? No, you grow up thinking what you learn. And if you learned the big bang, then you're gonna believe in that. You're going to look at the evidence in the equations that can put us almost .10 to the power of 34 of the big bang, if my memory serves me correct. That's more evidence then some book that nobody really knows who it was written by.

Religion is just indoctrination into a childs mind, that destroys their sense of humanity. You think that that grade 8 who killed another grade 8 because the one guy asked him to be his valentine because the world started with a big bang? Or do you think his parents taught him that being gay was a sin and to be associated meant you're going to hell unless you do something. That's completely awful and we should end this as soon as possible.

[deathmetus 152]

No, this is what the debate is about. Almost every christian religion/other religion says if you don't believe in that specific god you're gonna die. So you're gonna have to pick wisely. Just believing in a god aint gon' do you good.

Forgive me I am not normally this insulting but this makes me laugh. We all die, end of story, Pascal's Wager has nothing to do with that point of fact. Religion doesn't say we "don't die" it says there is a possibility of an afterlife, what the heck is wrong with that?

So to believe because almost certainly knowing that the end is the end is just dumb. You're making a arguement out of ignorance. A arguement from no knowledge. To deny all the evidence of evolution and the big bang is just the most horrible thing. Religion should be a form of child abuse. You think you grow up thinking that some mighty god lives in the sky? No, you grow up thinking what you learn. And if you learned the big bang, then you're gonna believe in that. You're going to look at the evidence in the equations that can put us almost .10 to the power of 34 of the big bang, if my memory serves me correct. That's more evidence then some book that nobody really knows who it was written by.

Actually we have accurate information as to when and who the official "Bible" as many call it was written. The Torah or the "Old Testament" was discovered in the Dead Sea Scrolls which are currently dated as far back as 200 B.C. presumably by the ancient Jewish population. However the "New Testament" and the first full Bible was compiled in 120 A.D. by the Council of Nicea.

Why do you tell me that I "deny all the evidence of evolution" I clearly stated my opinion as in support of the Theory of Evolution as the most plausible explanation for how humanity exists as of this point in time. You are telling me what I believe? What the heck? Do you read? Heck I'm not even that bloody religious, but sincerely you are attacking someone who supports your side of the argument? The reason people may take so much of a problem to both sides, atheists who go as far to insult religion to the point of ridiculousness, calling it child abuse really? And theists who deny proven scientific processes based on the idea that "the Bible is the truth" is blindness. Your comments are in no way helpful to the discussion. You call things dumb, you tell me what I think and believe based on your own inhibited precepts, all in all you are downright insulting. And your grammar and spelling errors are easily fixable and yet they are there so clearly wrong. . .

Religion is just indoctrination into a childs mind, that destroys their sense of humanity. You think that that grade 8 who killed another grade 8 because the one guy asked him to be his valentine because the world started with a big bang? Or do you think his parents taught him that being gay was a sin and to be associated meant you're going to hell unless you do something. That's completely awful and we should end this as soon as possible.

I think that that kid is a psychopath and not even his parents are the only reason for such behavior nor is his religious beliefs. In this day and age people on both sides of the bloody line need to be far more accepting of others personal creeds, religious beliefs, points of view on life, and sexual preferences. That is not a normal kid, not even by religious standards. True believers of religion should know something that most religions teach. Treat your damn neighbor as you want to be treated. Yes there are extremists out there on both sides of the line.

I had a whole story to perhaps get you to understand my side, but sadly I look and hear the same words of an old priest who once told me I was dumb and would burn in Hell since I did not accept Jesus as my savior. I hear again the same words my Atheist friend who argued that "those who believe in religion are a bunch of mindless, sheep who are nothing more than idiots who look for anything to lead them." Your own words are that of a closed minded person who will not accept other beliefs, even if they are well-intentioned, even if they lead to people living full and good lives, you just cannot accept it, even if they agree with you in many, many ways. This is sad. . . I know no matter what I say, you will not agree with me, that's at least how I see it.

[Space 2335]

Forgive me I am not normally this insulting but this makes me laugh. We all die, end of story, Pascal's Wager has nothing to do with that point of fact. Religion doesn't say we "don't die" it says there is a possibility of an afterlife, what the heck is wrong with that?

Actually we have accurate information as to when and who the official "Bible" as many call it was written. The Torah or the "Old Testament" was discovered in the Dead Sea Scrolls which are currently dated as far back as 200 B.C. presumably by the ancient Jewish population. However the "New Testament" and the first full Bible was compiled in 120 A.D. by the Council of Nicea.

Why do you tell me that I "deny all the evidence of evolution" I clearly stated my opinion as in support of the Theory of Evolution as the most plausible explanation for how humanity exists as of this point in time. You are telling me what I believe? What the heck? Do you read? Heck I'm not even that bloody religious, but sincerely you are attacking someone who supports your side of the argument? The reason people may take so much of a problem to both sides, atheists who go as far to insult religion to the point of ridiculousness, calling it child abuse really? And theists who deny proven scientific processes based on the idea that "the Bible is the truth" is blindness. Your comments are in no way helpful to the discussion. You call things dumb, you tell me what I think and believe based on your own inhibited precepts, all in all you are downright insulting. And your grammar and spelling errors are easily fixable and yet they are there so clearly wrong. . .

I think that that kid is a psychopath and not even his parents are the only reason for such behavior nor is his religious beliefs. In this day and age people on both sides of the bloody line need to be far more accepting of others personal creeds, religious beliefs, points of view on life, and sexual preferences. That is not a normal kid, not even by religious standards. True believers of religion should know something that most religions teach. Treat your damn neighbor as you want to be treated. Yes there are extremists out there on both sides of the line.

I had a whole story to perhaps get you to understand my side, but sadly I look and hear the same words of an old priest who once told me I was dumb and would burn in Hell since I did not accept Jesus as my savior. I hear again the same words my Atheist friend who argued that "those who believe in religion are a bunch of mindless, sheep who are nothing more than idiots who look for anything to lead them." Your own words are that of a closed minded person who will not accept other beliefs, even if they are well-intentioned, even if they lead to people living full and good lives, you just cannot accept it, even if they agree with you in many, many ways. This is sad. . . I know no matter what I say, you will not agree with me, that's at least how I see it.

TL;DR please.

Let me see... I didn't mean you would die. I apologize, it was a mistake. I meant is says if you don't believe in X god your death is worse then if you believed in that specific god.

And, no, we do not have accurate information. That's a simple fact.

By 'you' I do not mean 'you', I mean 'you' as in anyone. Like I was saying 'One.' I wasn't specifically directed at you.

And I don't care anymore. Think about it.You're destroying a childs mind and future by plugging his ears.