The Flame: Conquest

[Seventh / Ryan 93]

Alright, It's been moved to Saturday, because of the high demand.

5 PM EST On Saturday.

--Seventh

[Peter Chivay 2494]

Alright, It's been moved to Saturday, because of the high demand.

5 PM EST On Saturday.

--Seventh

[[ Any way we could make it... 6? *Smiles, holding out his hands. Preeeeassee? ]]

[Guest Grey]

(I like it more to have 4 instead of 5 or 6, just my thoughts. I'm probably not the only one at GMT +1 thats thinks like me)

[Mirtok 2853]

The Reason being why they are chosen is because they are all in contact with eachother. Frozen_Ruins_of_The_South is right behind the other two, which makes sense that it would be claimed.

This is only for the Maw, but as it is in 2 regions, we need to claim those two.

I was going to speak with you to discuss an appropriate time for the actual fight over TS.

But if we are all here now, I was thinking 5 PM EST?

--Seventh

There is still the question as to why you are assaulting Queen's_Briar as well as two other regions to take a single gate at the mouth of the nation. The Maw is its own region, so you do not need to take out my entire north border; Instead target only The Maw if the The Maw is what you seek.

I would have preferred you came and talked to me before submitting this and picking a time, I only ever found out by chance when I happen to log on to the forums before bed and saw your status update. And still the question remains; Are you allowed to take multiple regions on a single war claim?

During the World War with Salvus, each nation had to post their own war claim to conquer a single region, yet here Renatus is staring out with three regions from the get go.

[Seventh / Ryan 93]

There is still the question as to why you are assaulting Queen's_Briar as well as two other regions to take a single gate at the mouth of the nation. The Maw is its own region, so you do not need to take out my entire north border; Instead target only The Maw if the The Maw is what you seek.

I would have preferred you came and talked to me before submitting this and picking a time, I only ever found out by chance when I happen to log on to the forums before bed and saw your status update. And still the question remains; Are you allowed to take multiple regions on a single war claim?

During the World War with Salvus, each nation had to post their own war claim to conquer a single region, yet here Renatus is staring out with three regions from the get go.

Warclaims aren't upon taking regions, it's biomes, mate. The Maw is the Region side the biome.

If that would've been the case then when you took Das_Boot, you would've only taken the small fort of Das_Boot, not the entire Greenwall_Range, in that battle.

Also, as far as taking multiple 'Regions', With our allies, we will take it as one war claim, instead of pulling a Salvus.

Respiren's post about this during the Salvus war explained everything, if you could still see it.

Respiren proved that it was horrible in posting 6 Seperate War Claims for the same thing, at the same time.

--Seventh

[｡◕‿‿◕｡ Hawk Whitestorm 715]

Aye, 4 would be best. 5 I'm usually eating dinner, and 6 I have a party to attend (my own, so I can't not go) []

[Mirtok 2853]

Warclaims aren't upon taking regions, it's biomes, mate. The Maw is the Region side the biome.

If that would've been the case then when you took Das_Boot, you would've only taken the small fort of Das_Boot, not the entire Greenwall_Range, in that battle.

Also, as far as taking multiple 'Regions', With our allies, we will take it as one war claim, instead of pulling a Salvus.

Respiren's post about this during the Salvus war explained everything, if you could still see it.

Respiren proved that it was horrible in posting 6 Seperate War Claims for the same thing, at the same time.

--Seventh

Since Hanseti is all one type of biome we made our own synthetic divisions. I was the primary voxel artist of Hanseti, I created every mountain, forests, custom caves even river ways; Before I was allowed onto the build server it was all primarily flat. The actual biomes that are present in Hanseti do not match their name when you view them on the F3 overlay. In fact, there are many biomes scattered throughout each region, The Coldshade Mountains are a combination of both Ice Plains and Ice Mountains.

Other nations had the luxury of many different biomes all with a clear separation for them to outline during the build server days. We regioned ours not according to biomes, but to the idea of bigger regions to be filled in later with sub regions. We had no clear way at the time to region each biome as easily as the others, everything was covered in snow and showed no clear line. Taking both coldshade mountains would be taking several biomes. Another thing, out regions are massively huge and if we were able to adhere to ingame biome borders, our regions would mostly likely double. If you compare the size of our regions with the biome traced ones of most other nations, you will find 2 or 3 biomes can fit in one of our regions.

As for Das_Boot and Greenwall_range, there were two battles. We won both and there fore we took both regions. Two battles on two different weekends as we were told that those were the rules. Those regions are in fact regions traced off of biomes, during the build server days we all used an upgraded dynamap and were able to effectively view each region as they were created. In fact, I along with Sam regioned your entire western claim and all the contested land that I was informed is now taken by you.

And funny it is that you bring up Das_Boot and Greenwall_range, I do not remember having battle were those regions were reclaimed by Renatus, nor an agreement were we gave them away. From what I have heard, one day we were off the permissions and Renatus had assumed control without telling us. We didn't think it a necessity to have the regions back and simply let it go.

What I got Respirens post was that it was horrible to lay claim to multiple regions in a single day by a force that was going to fight with each other in each battle, allowing for many regions to be taken without hope of defending. But if you found something he said that proves that he felt such matters as war claims should be handled as such you have- A nation representing only itself and making claim to three regions- then please message it to me or reply to this.

[Seventh / Ryan 93]

Since Hanseti is all one type of biome we made our own synthetic divisions. I was the primary voxel artist of Hanseti, I created every mountain, forests, custom caves even river ways; Before I was allowed onto the build server it was all primarily flat. The actual biomes that are present in Hanseti do not match their name when you view them on the F3 overlay. In fact, there are many biomes scattered throughout each region, The Coldshade Mountains are a combination of both Ice Plains and Ice Mountains.

Other nations had the luxury of many different biomes all with a clear separation for them to outline during the build server days. We regioned ours not according to biomes, but to the idea of bigger regions to be filled in later with sub regions. We had no clear way at the time to region each biome as easily as the others, everything was covered in snow and showed no clear line. Taking both coldshade mountains would be taking several biomes. Another thing, out regions are massively huge and if we were able to adhere to ingame biome borders, our regions would mostly likely double. If you compare the size of our regions with the biome traced ones of most other nations, you will find 2 or 3 biomes can fit in one of our regions.

As for Das_Boot and Greenwall_range, there were two battles. We won both and there fore we took both regions. Two battles on two different weekends as we were told that those were the rules. Those regions are in fact regions traced off of biomes, during the build server days we all used an upgraded dynamap and were able to effectively view each region as they were created. In fact, I along with Sam regioned your entire western claim and all the contested land that I was informed is now taken by you.

And funny it is that you bring up Das_Boot and Greenwall_range, I do not remember having battle were those regions were reclaimed by Renatus, nor an agreement were we gave them away. From what I have heard, one day we were off the permissions and Renatus had assumed control without telling us. We didn't think it a necessity to have the regions back and simply let it go.

What I got Respirens post was that it was horrible to lay claim to multiple regions in a single day by a force that was going to fight with each other in each battle, allowing for many regions to be taken without hope of defending. But if you found something he said that proves that he felt such matters as war claims should be handled as such you have- A nation representing only itself and making claim to three regions- then please message it to me or reply to this.

I've talked with Mogroka, and he stated that it is fine if a Nation is able to lay claim to 3 different biomes, which include FAKE attacks, and/or REAL attacks on to the destruction or claiming of the Biome. And Yes, Hanseti is one massive Biome, but no, you are wrong, as you ca nsee in this picture, as is in the server directory and official Biome Map, the biomes are outlined. Just because Hanseti is all snow, doesn't meen the Biomes borders would not be shown.

AKA, we have a massive Army, that is able to take the 3 areas, therefore, it is allowed. However, if you are taking them because you want to look effective, it's anotehr story, if you can see what I mean.

--Seventh

[Zebanamana 410]

I believe Seventh meant that during the battle of Das Boot you would have only captured the fort region and not the das boot region as a whole. I think seventh got Greenwall and das boot mixed up.

What he means is that you need one battle to capture a region and all its subregions

[Guest gwilson3]

Based on what I understand, and from your reasoning, Renatus and it's allies are holding 3 battles for those 3 regions on the same day. Just like it was with Salvus. Only you have combined them into one war claim.

You can't take all three regions, including Argos, a fortified city in one of the regions, with one battle at the Maw. And since the Maw is the only way to bring siege weapons into the nation, because mountains block the rest of the nation, the Maw would first need to be claimed before siege weapons can be used in battles on the other cities in the nation. So either there is a battle at the Maw that continues into the other regions, or you have 3 battles at once, but only bring siege weapons into the Maw until the Maw is taken (assuming you take it).

I don't expect you to explain your battle plan, but would it go against anything above?

[gabriel101x1 463]

Based on what I understand, and from your reasoning, Renatus and it's allies are holding 3 battles for those 3 regions on the same day. Just like it was with Salvus. Only you have combined them into one war claim.

You can't take all three regions, including Argos, a fortified city in one of the regions, with one battle at the Maw. And since the Maw is the only way to bring siege weapons into the nation, because mountains block the rest of the nation, the Maw would first need to be claimed before siege weapons can be used in battles on the other cities in the nation. So either there is a battle at the Maw that continues into the other regions, or you have 3 battles at once, but only bring siege weapons into the Maw until the Maw is taken (assuming you take it).

I don't expect you to explain your battle plan, but would it go against anything above?

Took the words out of my mouth.

[Seventh / Ryan 93]

Based on what I understand, and from your reasoning, Renatus and it's allies are holding 3 battles for those 3 regions on the same day. Just like it was with Salvus. Only you have combined them into one war claim.

You can't take all three regions, including Argos, a fortified city in one of the regions, with one battle at the Maw. And since the Maw is the only way to bring siege weapons into the nation, because mountains block the rest of the nation, the Maw would first need to be claimed before siege weapons can be used in battles on the other cities in the nation. So either there is a battle at the Maw that continues into the other regions, or you have 3 battles at once, but only bring siege weapons into the Maw until the Maw is taken (assuming you take it).

I don't expect you to explain your battle plan, but would it go against anything above?

People aren't understanding. Yes, it is just liek the Salvus war. We have ALLIES, that WILL TAKE the otehr regions. Renatus worries about the Maw, but our Allies, what are they going to do? Stand there and hope for the best? No. Because people complained that there were too many War claims, and it was impossible to keep up with all of them, we decided to make it into one.

--Seventh

[Aryon 679]

It is still 5pm EST on Saturday? Sounds delicious.

[Amanlu 15]

(( I hope that FINALLY opposing factions will get their NAMEPLATES, coloured. Wars now are big mess! Mayhem, no one knows who is who. ))

[Mucky 443]

(( ^ Nice Idea ))