The First Holy Crusade

[Agnub 605]

[[Claiming war against a nation you've never had problems with besides minor squabbles is nonsense, the fact that there was not even a courier or attempt to "urge" us to believe in whatever religion Oren has is nonsense as well. There is no tension between Menorcress and Oren, there are no enemies between the Houses of Oren and Menorcress, and there has been no complaints against the following of Nemiisae besides claiming it is unholy opposed to the Church of Horen[?]. I am highly against this, but if this is really all that is needed to attack, then I assume I can't complain.]]

((It's not really a missionary endeavour though. We're not out to convert and assimilate, we're out to cleanse the land of nonbelievers. At least that's what I've gotten out of this.))

[Archmage_Cataris 622]

[[i would just like to make a statement concerning Holm's current Navy. All coast-huggers and my flagship are currently far away on the other side of the world at Farport, not at Holm. Technically we wouldn't have time to sail back and save the day since we would be weeks late, nor would you be able to destroy these ships since they are currently on the other side of the world. I am willing to give information where specifically the ships are if it is needed, as long as it is kept safe, secure & private. I have a high fear of metagamers..]]

[Jay Lenos 384]

[[i would just like to make a statement concerning Holm's current Navy. All coast-huggers and my flagship are currently far away on the other side of the world at Farport, not at Holm. Technically we wouldn't have time to sail back and save the day since we would be weeks late, nor would you be able to destroy these ships since they are currently on the other side of the world. I am willing to give information where specifically the ships are if it is needed, as long as it is kept safe, secure & private. I have a high fear of metagamers..]]

((To tell the truth I do not think we will need to know that information, so no need to worry))

[Archmage_Cataris 622]

[[i was simply stating after a certain person within Oren decided to boast how they would burn my ships. The ships have been gone from Holm for 2 IRL weeks and won't be returning for another week or so. I'll be making a post when they all return.]]

[Myoni 56]

((The reason we're declaring war is because...))

(())

[Samson Option 9652]

[in my opinion, Oren has consumed themselves in might makes right and my God says it. Rather than OOCly blabbering, how about those who are attacked try to work together with whom the ships may aim towards. It is equally fair for the first place to be attacked to send word to any coastal town, city, and/or nation to raise the bells and signal that Oren may be on a damned cursed campaign. Even if they ride under undeterminable flags, the identity of the ships [if they decide to sail the Beard] can be distinguished for it's mere uniqueness if the Kal'Alrasian Dwarves are brought into defending against these series of naval bombardment campaigns. Use your head, stop OOC bickering.]

[Amethain 25]

((I would just like clarification, this is one long continuous assault if I am not mistaken. So any men that fall in battle should not be participating in further battles along the length of this crusade. I am not sure how many men you would have left when you reach the farther cities or continents. I do not think even all the fighting men of Oren could accomplish this without a bunch of them fighting in every battle regardless of outcomes or previous fatalities. I personally think this is ridiculous from a manpower standpoint. The army plans to take on a small number of large cities and then an entire nation. Would someone mind explaining how this can be done without 'recycling' players and characters?))

[Coaster 2086]

((It will not be a single continuous battle, the fleet will resupply at various islands, rest up, etc.))

[Eleatic 1033]

[[._. I just gained Lordship of Arma Luna. Oh geez]]

[Seiryuuin 清流 14]

((I believe what Hael is pointing out is that this is one continuous campaign. I believe that history has never had a campaign that started off with the same number of people in the last battle as in the first. Seeing as this is an invasion and cleansing, it is highly unlikely that you would be able to recruit the ones being invaded into your cause either. Therefore, you should be having less people at the end than in the beginning.

I honestly think that this campaign is just a reason for pvp. I have never had any good interaction with the Flay, seeing as you (Coaster) and your 'house' have only ever been to Menorcress three times, with two of them to harass the Mori who wouldn't give you free cake, yes?))

[Eleatic 1033]

[[besides this; Your killing many races and RP groups with this. More then usual, Mog. You will make many people leave with this event. Oren. I honestly suggest this is called off.]]

[Amethain 25]

((It will not be a single continuous battle, the fleet will resupply at various islands, rest up, etc.))

((I understand there should be some time for the men to rest and resupply. However, if they fall in battle they are not likely to be fighting in a few weeks or even a month depending on how severe their wounds were. Some men probably would be rendered useless and unable to fight ever again. Sure, this would happen on both sides, unless they were sent home to be tended by the monks or respective healers for their nation. My point is, if they were injured to some great extent then they would not be fit for battle and possibly would/should die from the injuries unless relieved from duty and sent to get proper care.))

[Divinus 179]

((I believe what Hael is pointing out is that this is one continuous campaign. I believe that history has never had a campaign that started off with the same number of people in the last battle as in the first. Seeing as this is an invasion and cleansing, it is highly unlikely that you would be able to recruit the ones being invaded into your cause either. Therefore, you should be having less people at the end than in the beginning.

I honestly think that this campaign is just a reason for pvp. I have never had any good interaction with the Flay, seeing as you (Coaster) and your 'house' have only ever been to Menorcress three times, with two of them to harass the Mori who wouldn't give you free cake, yes?))

Where on this does it say anything about house flay, besides me and coasters invitation? We've made it quiet clear that this is a holy cleansing. []

[DecoLamb 959]

[[i outright refuse to take part in this crusade. I will have absolutely no part of this in any way shape or form. Holm is an open and friendly nation that houses many people of Oren and has been working to please its people even before this false crusade. This is a sad excuse for conflict roleplay, one does not need war for conflict.

To reinterate. I refuse it. Plain and simple. I will not participate, nor will the majority if my people.]]

[Seiryuuin 清流 14]

((Subsection Two of the main post: Re-communication of Flays to the Church. That points out that you will be taking part in this thing. You also came and "spoke" to us yesterday on ts.

Besides, if you're gunning for the extinction of at least two smaller races, especially when one is a race nobody really interacts with any more other than to harass, because of our reputation... But back to the topic of people dying in a campaign or being injured to the point of being out of action or sent home.))