Mogroka

[argonian 14254]

Has it not occurred to anyone that perhaps it is a personal matter? No? Maybe it isn't something to scream and shout to ALL of Lotc's members? I repeat myself;

" Respect their privacy. "

Demoting an Admin isn't really that personal. If he got demoted for cybering or something, I could understand why they might keep that under wraps, but why are they refusing to show proof of him item spawning, letting people build towns without charters, and the other stuff like that?

[｡◕‿‿◕｡ Hawk Whitestorm 715]

Demoting an Admin isn't really that personal. If he got demoted for cybering or something, I could understand why they might keep that under wraps, but why are they refusing to show proof of him item spawning, letting people build towns without charters, and the other stuff like that?

Go to Arethor and you'll find circle stone.

[argonian 14254]

Proof of word, again you are the one not believing it.

So, if I make a ban report on you and call you a metagamer, can I just say, "Proof of word!" and get you banned? Sure I might have screens of you metagaming(not calling you a metagamer, this is just an example), but if I don't show them, they're worthless. Native's post was him just saying that Mogroka did this, that and the other, without showing us screenshots or anything. That's just claiming he did that stuff, it isn't proving he did it.

[VonEbs 1224]

Proof of word, again you are the one not believing it.

Forgive me for being skeptical of the validity of someone saying something that I cannot verify.

[argonian 14254]

Forgive me for being skeptical of the validity of no one saying anything.

I believe he is referring to Native's post saying all the rules he broke.

Go to Arethor and you'll find circle stone.

Huh? What's that supposed to mean?

[Fabby 12]

Demoting an Admin isn't really that personal. If he got demoted for cybering or something, I could understand why they might keep that under wraps, but why are they refusing to show proof of him item spawning, letting people build towns without charters, and the other stuff like that?

Because its probably something more then just item spawning etc. Plus they dont (which I understand) want anyone in their staff look bad.

[Alakabam 582]

So, if I make a ban report on you and call you a metagamer, can I just say, "Proof of word!" and get you banned? Sure I might have screens of you metagaming(not calling you a metagamer, this is just an example), but if I don't show them, they're worthless. Native's post was him just saying that Mogroka did this, that and the other, without showing us screenshots or anything. That's just claiming he did that stuff, it isn't proving he did it.

Ofcourse not, but that is cause were both not admins nor gm's if you even couldnt trust your gms... then think about what this world has come to, they take care of the server "if" he was such a good gm then why would they demote him?

[VonEbs 1224]

There is not point in arguing, you are determined to believe them, we are skeptical.

[argonian 14254]

Because its probably something more then just item spawning etc. Plus they dont (which I understand) want anyone in their staff look bad.

They've already made him look bad by saying he did all those things. Also, we know it is more than item spawning, I was just saying that the evidence of most of the rules he broke wouldn't be anything that they'd need to hide.

[Jexdane 213]

-flying/using compass to get onto a roof and kill someone after shouting for guards to shoot arrows at him

This above offense involved me. I was climbing on the rooftops. He simply shouted at the guards, and then suddenly appeared on the rooftop, where he proceeded to shoot and kill me with a single arrow. My friend was with me, and later on we returned to the scene to see how he could have possibly gotten up, onto the roofs, without using his Admin abilities, because we did not want to accuse him without valid proof. When we found no possible way, I sent screenshots of the incident, and myself and my friends testimony to Native and Robin.

I have screenshots, but I don't know if I'm allowed to even post them. Hell, I don't know if I'm allowed to post what I'm saying here. But I want all of you to know that, for that accusation, I did have proof.

[EDIT] I don't think there is a reason to -1 this post..

[Alakabam 582]

This above offense involved me. I was climbing on the rooftops. He simply shouted at the guards, and then suddenly appeared on the rooftop, where he proceeded to shoot and kill me with a single arrow. My friend was with me, and later on we returned to the scene to see how he could have possibly gotten up, onto the roofs, without using his Admin abilities, because we did not want to accuse him without valid proof. When we found no possible way, I sent screenshots of the incident, and myself and my friends testimony to Native and Robin.

I have screenshots, but I don't know if I'm allowed to even post them. Hell, I don't know if I'm allowed to post what I'm saying here. But I want all of you to know that, for that accusation, I did have proof.

[EDIT] I don't think there is a reason to -1 this post..

[Fabby 12]

They are lol.

Also, how the f*ck did this spark up an availer controversy? Conspiracy I say, this is all part of a master plan...

Yeah, dont bring up the Availer thing.. it will get you warned and banned from the forum... after awhile. (me knows) :)

[argonian 14254]

What was the point of quoting his post and saying nothing, Alakabam? Anyway, Jexdane, I +1ed your post to even it out, I'm not sure why it was -1ed. On another note, can you please show us the screens(so that we can know that he at least did a few of the things he was accused of.)?

Yeah, dont bring up the Availer thing.. it will get you warned and banned from the forum... after awhile. (me knows) :)

Vaq is the hoster and coder for the server and he's at the highest rank you can get on this server. He doesn't have to worry about getting banned.

[Alakabam 582]

What was the point of quoting his post and saying nothing, Alakabam? Anyway, Jexdane, I +1ed your post to even it out, I'm not sure why it was -1ed. On another note, can you please show us the screens(so that we can know that he at least did a few of the things he was accused of.)?

Vaq is the hoster and coder for the server and he's at the highest rank you can get on this server. He doesn't have to worry about getting banned.

James2k, my internet is derping and that your instantly trying to flame on me for it is kinda harsh isnt it... and seriously kinda ironic that almost all the supporters are involved with orcs or oren. I think Mog has done some wrong things what i have also witnessed in the last orcs vs dwarves war. So I'm a supporter of the demotion.. but I dont think we can really change the view of some admins, including Shiftnative and Robin. Good luck to everyone flame warring here. Have a good day....

[argonian 14254]

James2k, my internet is derping and that your instantly trying to flame on me for it is kinda harsh isnt it... and seriously kinda ironic that almost all the supporters are involved with orcs or oren. I think Mog has done some wrong things what i have also witnessed in the last orcs vs dwarves war. So I'm a supporter of the demotion.. but I dont think we can really change the view of some admins, including Shiftnative and Robin. Good luck to everyone flame warring here. Have a good day....

Oh, is asking a question flaming now?

We aren't trying to change Robin and Native's minds, we're just asking them for evidence. I've told you this several times now.