Purging The Primitives

[Mirtok 2853]

((Nope. I am just the spear head for the campaign. If further occupation is required, it is most likely that another group appointed by the Emperor will have to do it while I move North to further combat the primitives. If the owner of this region gives us the permission for a fort to be built, I will move the ear claimed region to another one close by. If no permission is given then Order members will march on over on the posted date and take land for the fort.))

[lugarthecougar 57]

((Well I may not own the whole region, but as long as you aren't tearing down Sanctum or messing with the Statues then I am completely fine with this.))

[Cloakedsphere 1471]

((Nope. I am just the spear head for the campaign. If further occupation is required, it is most likely that another group appointed by the Emperor will have to do it while I move North to further combat the primitives. If the owner of this region gives us the permission for a fort to be built, I will move the ear claimed region to another one close by. If no permission is given then Order members will march on over on the posted date and take land for the fort.))

Well most of your reasoning and calling the people up north, primitives isnt exactly true. The warhawkes are far from primitive. Same with Varivik. So I would much like to see your RP reason change with your future war claims.

[Mirtok 2853]

((My reasoning doesn't have to be true, it is the RP that matters. If you feel that you are not primitive as described by Mirtok, then it is Mirtok's ignorance to the truth that is plaguing you. Down south in the civilized lands, we look to the North and see bands of broken up tribalistic heretics who have just learnt how to build walls. I do not think I will be changing my reason simply because the one I have now stems from many points of contention. For starters, y'all are primitives in comparison. Two, all those fancy temples to a polytheistic religion does not fly too well with us. And finally, communication and cooperation with our northern borders has been low and unstable, I will be rectifying that problem. It is on you to change how we view the North in RP, not OOC. And when we do arrive, and you fight against us or work against us in any way shape or form, you will then labeled enemies of the Emperor, thus we will have yet another reason to continue a march on Levanthus.))

[Cloakedsphere 1471]

( Wait what? We never refused anything? Oren has never came to our land or walls. EVER to just talk. We actually have No temples at all at our camp. How does that make us primitive? We have never made/do not have any temples. I fail to see how you think this OOC'ly. The northern borders? Actually if you would actually RP with people outside of oren and come visit the warhawkes IC'ly then we might tell you that we had a camp in the Duchy of auveregne. We are actually really good friends IC'ly and OOC'ly. So attacking us would be sort of pointless as we are close friends with the duchy nearby.

Personally mirtok. I am not trying to sound rude here but it just seems like you guys are trying to gather more land for absolutely zero/wrong reasons. I can assure you that the warhawkes have never came in contact with anyone from oren except the Duchy. You claiming us as heretics is also quite wrong. We do not have any religion to actually be specific. So that is another false OOC/IC accusation. All around. Your reasoning to fight the warhawkes/surrounding area is completely invalid as these reasons make zero sense IC'ly and OOC'ly. We are far from being primitive. We do not have any religion as we chose not to have one. We are actually friends with 2 duchys inside of oren. Arech nor and Auvergene. I personally ask that if/when you war claim the warhawkes land you make a better RP reason. I disagree with almost all the reasons stated and claiming we never came in contact with you is false as you have never tried contacting any of us.

You can either come to me IC'ly or change your reasoning when war claiming some of warhawkes land. Because I would not approve of said war claim/campaign on us since we never really did anything to anger oren at all. )

[El Ricktador 1394]

((My reasoning doesn't have to be true, it is the RP that matters. If you feel that you are not primitive as described by Mirtok, then it is Mirtok's ignorance to the truth that is plaguing you. Down south in the civilized lands, we look to the North and see bands of broken up tribalistic heretics who have just learnt how to build walls. I do not think I will be changing my reason simply because the one I have now stems from many points of contention. For starters, y'all are primitives in comparison. Two, all those fancy temples to a polytheistic religion does not fly too well with us. And finally, communication and cooperation with our northern borders has been low and unstable, I will be rectifying that problem. It is on you to change how we view the North in RP, not OOC. And when we do arrive, and you fight against us or work against us in any way shape or form, you will then labeled enemies of the Emperor, thus we will have yet another reason to continue a march on Levanthus.))

(( Well I can certainly see from reading your post, that you know next to nothing about the way life is in Levanthus. From what I know, the temples have been there for ages and long before we arrived there. If we were thinking of the world of Asulon as a realistic place, this would be obvious. As the walls would show clear signs of being worn-down. Or atleast, they would show signs of age.

we look to the North and see bands of broken up tribalistic heretics who have just learnt how to build walls.

Two, all those fancy temples to a polytheistic religion does not fly too well with us.

If you truly believed that you see us to be a broken up band of tribals who have barely learned to make walls. You would not also believe that we are responsible for a massive stone temple. How would we be? If we just learned to make walls according to you?

I can also say for a fact that you have never come to the Warhawke camp to seek our attention. There has never been any sort of attempt at creating any sort of communication between Oren and the Warhawke. We don't hate Oren. We never have. We even lived in Oren for awhile. We had a camp there.

I have no issues with the warclaim. As I have grown used to the constant land-grabbing. What I do have a problem with is some of the broken logic you seek to justify your warclaim with. The warclaim is fine. You're making it confusing by adding on your contradicting logic. ))

[Mirtok 2853]

((Well you just admitted to heresy. Atheism is not your right hold, in fact there are no rights. You will believe what the Emperor wants you to and any difference will yield destruction.

You seem stuck on something I didn't say, when I refer to you all or you guys I am speaking the sense of the collective North. If you think yourself different from the people I have described above it is your job to make sure I know this in RP not the other way around. I am ordered in after the area has been contacted and scouted, I get the intel that comes from them; I get the word from the Emperor that it is his will for me to march on these lands. The North is guilty by association and we are specifically targeting the city-states of Levathus because they all share the name and have connections with each other. It would do you well to distance yourself from any friendly communications or interactions with the targeted peoples, if you don't I will once more have another reason to keep marching. You can be friends with who ever you want, but when it all comes down to it; Unless the Emperor says otherwise, you are not a friend of mine.

There are several temples around the Levanthus area and in order to maintain a careful and safe regulated religion under the name of the one and only God, it is standard practice to investigate and purge an entire area or group to ensure the thoughts of heresy have been burnt and buried if any are found. You claim to have no religion, that is still heretical and if the inquisition catches wind, I will be the least of the North's problems. You did not have to build them to be suspected of heresy, they are within your populace influence and thus you are a contender for investigation.

Aw, I have all the land I could ever want down in the farthest reaches of the South. You can ask a number of people, Mogroka himself; I give away all lands to the Empire after I have taken them. I would also like to clarify the meaning of heresy. It both exists in the sense of religious beliefs but that sec falls under the duties of the inquisition. The other is the diffraction from the accepted and enforced ways of Oren. The fact that you are not Oren is heretical in the eyes of the Order since we serve the Emperor's will to the letter. Assimilate or die.

Now, there is always the option when the time comes to just not fight. I don't have to burn anything down if no one is using it as cover. When we march and we find no opposition, the land is considered claimed under Oren and the surrounding settlements are left alone. If you claim to be civilized, proove it when I arrive. If you claim to be friends of Oren, prove it when I arrive. And for the love of Celestia, I don't know about any Warhawk clans or anything really, in RP I have been told there are primitives and heretics and thus I am reacting in RP as I would. I do not need to seek you out if I am not even laying claim to your land yet. But judging by your post (man in blue) you say you live in camps, sounds pretty tribal and tribal = primitive in comparison to Oren. I do not need to know the exact truth behind the workings of the North, false RP information or RP ignorance is valid and is a contributing factor to this War Claim, say what you wish here in OOC, unless you stick your neck out in RP and make it known to the right people what you want to be known, no one is going to be informed.

Contradicting logic, sucka! These Warhawks came onto this War Claim and started getting antsy. I never even had one single thought your group but you seem convinced that I am out to land grab for no reason. I suggest both of you read over what I say a couple times, it looks as though you are reading it too fast and are picking out things without the proper comprehension of what it is saying.))

[Lock 'eed Ironheart 120]

((Alliances are far more stronger then conversion by sword. It is to easy to take a persons life then to take that person's side. In taking of lands you have to realize that making the locals of said land join a new way of life may in turn create a new type of enemy. And that enemy is far more deadly for it is an inside enemy you have to worry about now.))

[Cloakedsphere 1471]

( Once again I fail to see how you claim we are athiests? What? We never had/was given a chance to learn any religions as no one has preached to us about who's who and god's god. That makes no sense on how we are heretics because no one has brought religion to our eyes.

We will refuse to let you enter if you are going to be coming at us in full armor with weapons drawn. Only then would we let you/the king in. Not your little army. I dislike the fact that you think that all the surrounding ruins are built by us as well? We never built those ruins. Those were all made by Gaius during his reign over the subudai.

Once more. You should really come and try to talk with us before just coming around and waving your swords around in our faces and threatening us. You dont even know if we are passive? How do we know who you are if you are just going to walk up to our walls and demand we surrender to something we have no clue about? You come to my lands first and speak to me through RP with your king. Only then will I accept the terms of any war claims on the warhawkes. Seeing as how we did nothing to anger anyone is quite stupid to just attack us. You would create more enemys in the long run.

The way you come off in your post is very arrogant. I would like for you to act mature. Do not act so arrogant when I am asking questions and proving points. That's the issue I have with dealing with oren. Because you guys have the largest armies. The Largest amounts of land. You seemingly think you guys can act the way you want. I am just trying to have a decent conversation and when you come off as arrogant in your posts it makes me just want to scrap any convo's I will have with you.

Warhawkes are aggressive to the town nearby them. AKA Varivik. We dislike Levanthus for our own reasons of them acting like they can do what they want. With a more recent restructure that Koto is building I truly hope for it to be much better. As Ironheart said. It would make much more RP sense to come to us and ask for alliances then to war claim us and threaten us with your army. That's just plain and simple logic seeing as it would be more RP for both sides and not just some random PVP war. We never claimed to fight with/against you but if your going to come wave swords in our face, demand entry to my camp, and threaten us why would we have to listen to you? If you truly want us to be on your side I highly suggest you take a different approach to the warhawkes.

We would much rather keep our land claimed as warhawke territory as it is our only place to live. I dont care if you take over the land surrounding my camp. But inside my camp is my business.

Personally mirtok. Until you come meet me and my other friend in RP and talk to us, peacefully without your guards/army I am sure you could work something out in RP. In other words. I am denying any war claims on warhwake territory itself since all your RP reasoning is false. The Tents are for people who are a part of the warhawkes. We have houses built as well. Do not claim that tents are tribal in orens eyes as I have seen multiple tents on oren's lands at one point in time. I just think you either need to come up with better reasons for the war claim on my territory or you can come and talk to us civilly. You being Mirtok and Godfrey. We never wanted to take part in any war you have/had. We were never contacted in RP about anything for Oren. So I will wait to get a bird or a piece of paper in RP, waiting for you at my front gate. )

[El Ricktador 1394]

(( Sigh. Very well, Mirtok. As I said, I am fine with the Warclaim and the logic that is presented in the actual Warclaim itself. But everything you add on, makes it confusing. You have all the land you want. Yet this is a conquest for land. You attack because we are primitives for living in tents. Yet Oren is somehow allies with the War Uzg. (Quite a bit of heads on spears and they are mostly about killing people in grotesque ways.)

I've yet to see a warclaim on them however from Oren. Go through with you warclaim. The Warhawkes are nomadic and were planning their departure to Dwarven lands. I just don't like the idea that it seemed to me that you were, in OOC, calling our IC tribe-life primitive.

It is fine to be ignorant of something in RP. As that is only realistic but being ignorant of something OOC is a different story. Since there are usually always people in the Teamspeak channel that can answer questions about lore.

I guess this will be the last I will say in this warclaim. Since no one ever wins an argument in them. I see no point in defending land that will soon no longer be mine due to our moving. Also that this does nothing but bump our post count.))

[Sultan 3953]

(I would like to point out.. That this is not meant on the Warhawks, I personnel thought you live in the Duchy of Auvergen, and Mirtok did not know you are even there. Mirtok well go march stop in the land look if there is an army to meet him, if there is not he well build his fort, and station there. He then shall receive reinforcements from both Auvergen and Norjun, and then he well march forward giving Auvergen control over the land.)

[El Ricktador 1394]

(I would like to point out.. That this is not meant on the Warhawks, I personnel thought you live in the Duchy of Auvergen, and Mirtok did not know you are even there. Mirtok well go march stop in the land look if there is an army to meet him, if there is not he well build his fort, and station there. He then shall receive reinforcements from both Auvergen and Norjun, and then he well march forward giving Auvergen control over the land.)

(( See? This is what has to be said. The end result in a warclaim. Not just "Land will be mine." It's better to not keep people in the dark about the ultimate end results. If Oren were to come to the Warhawkes and say, essentially this, they would be fine with it. One of those duchies are our allies.))

[Cloakedsphere 1471]

( Yes mog. We actually did live in the duchy. We moved because of others learning about our camp that were our enemies. We werent forced but it was a close threat to us. So we moved. We are no where near an army. We dont have the resources for one. But if someone comes to my camp with weapons drawn and armor out and threatening us we will defend ourselves as it is a direct threat to us. If your people dont harm us we wont harm you. Simple simple. )

[Samson Option 9652]

[Ah.. Wait.. I think I know what temple Mirtok speaks of, he speaks of the Temple of Illuminus Obscurum which my character let stand, he didnt know anything about the Illuminus Obscurum RPly]

PS: Mogroka, can I regulate this war-claim?

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

((I went and checked myself; The southern bit of the desert is part of the skuzzy10, the same build-allowed region that Sanctum is on. The region is rather disorganized, having build allowed for anybody and only two members, but the nearest town is Sanctum so I would assume we control it. Hopefully we can get a GM to reorganize the regions in the area, soon.

Also, as I said earlier, I would like to see Sanctum removed from the outlined part of the map. Wordings such as "The other side of the field" are rather vague, and it would be easier to simply not risk a mistake or miscommunication resulting in battle.))