Operation Enduring Freedom

[Mordecai Fury 18]

So RPly your character has been lied to by one person and so is willing to pull out all the stops and go to war?

That makes very little sense.

So RPly your armies will show up, find no resistance and a bunch of peasants scratching their heads and wondering why all the armed men are entering the city, and decide to just take everyone prisoner and execute them.

Then you'll take away my personal claim.

Great. My hats off to you.

[Mordecai Fury 18]

So RPly your character has been lied to by one person and so is willing to pull out all the stops and go to war?

That makes very little sense.

So RPly your armies will show up, find no resistance and a bunch of peasants scratching their heads and wondering why all the armed men are entering the city, and decide to just take everyone prisoner and execute them.

Then you'll take away my personal claim.

Great. My hats off to you.

The thing I don't get is that RPly, you would come to investigate your scouts claims before launching a full scale war.

[Braxis 813]

So RPly your character has been lied to by one person and so is willing to pull out all the stops and go to war?

That makes very little sense.

So RPly your armies will show up, find no resistance and a bunch of peasants scratching their heads and wondering why all the armed men are entering the city, and decide to just take everyone prisoner and execute them.

Then you'll take away my personal claim.

Great. My hats off to you.

Considering we have many telling us other wise that it is true, and If we sail it would go much slower, also we have horses and allied forts nearby that we are going to early. and rest before launching the attack. And more Rp is still to happen that could either prove us right or wrong making your towns fate for the better or worse. and its your personal claim, Ok. Its Rp if it was taken away in Rp. Its Rp its what the server is about.

And Note: Don't double post

[Sargeblub 78]

Nice double post. And I'm certain that the scout was a trusted member of Salvus' banners. I never said that I knew we were being lied to, I said we may be being lied to. Also, if we've heard that you planned on sieging us and that you have the supplies to back it up... why should we not strike first? Rebellion is a very serious thing.

[Agnub 605]

I would like to add we're not butchers. We will not harm those that are innocent. We have a list of certain people to look for in addition we'll investigate these mage claims. However other claims as well force us to investigate with force. You can still attempt to diplomatically change our minds and there's quite a bit of time before the actual conquest to do so.

[Mordecai Fury 18]

Considering we have many telling us other wise that it is true, and If we sail it would go much slower, also we have horses and allied forts nearby that we are going to early. and rest before launching the attack. And more Rp is still to happen that could either prove us right or wrong making your towns fate for the better or worse. and its your personal claim, Ok. Its Rp if it was taken away in Rp. Its Rp its what the server is about.

And Note: Don't double post

It was meant to be an edit, not a reply. I hit the wrong button :P

Your RP is costing me my $200 of perks. that's the part I cant get over. Some crappy spy fed you false info in RP and it costs me $200 worth of claim that was already benefiting the empire. Not only that but I'm doing COOL things with it. It's when OOCly I lose my claim because of your RP that I take offense.

[Sargeblub 78]

This is an RP server, RP is going to happen. This is one of the reasons I don't like Warclaims, though I think they're very useful and promote organization, I feel like they take from RP. You're bringing your OOC dislikes into the RP and now some great RP might be gone because you don't want to lose your plot. I understand that you spent $200 dollars on it, and maybe you can talk to a GM about that.

[Mordecai Fury 18]

I don't want great RP to be lost, but I also don't want to lose anything OOCly because of RP.

I would love some good RP. You just have to understand that I log on to see a warclaim without a single reason that actually happened. I look at the claim and think "Oh, so I donated $200 so that someone could decide they want my claim, and just take it for themselves." If the accusations are true and I don't know about it OOCly AND RPly, then my character will be absolutely fine with you killing some people who are doing things like this behind my back.

My characters concerns have only been about building this city. If all of that can be communicated in RP, then that's fine, because I will keep my claims, and I will get to keep building the city. Khabbi is going to be AWESOME when I am finished.

If the army shows up and takes me prisoner, fails to listen to reason, and steals my claim and perms, then how can I be happy with that RPly or OOCly? I can't. My character will go back to guarding someones front lawn because of false accusations. That, or permadeath may be required because I'm falsely accused of treason.

If you want combat for good RP, then just let us finish the arena we are building, and we'll host a tournament for all of the nobles. Then we can all drink and tell tales of victory in Yursal. You can all get to see what Sabbet is really about.

[Kickstarted and Running 965]

I don't want great RP to be lost, but I also don't want to lose anything OOCly because of RP.

I would love some good RP. You just have to understand that I log on to see a warclaim without a single reason that actually happened. If they are true and i don't know about it OOCly AND RPly, then my character will be absolutely fine with you killing some people who are doing things like this behind my back.

My characters concerns have only been about building this city. If all of that can be communicated in RP, then that's fine, because I will keep my claims, and I will get to keep building the city. Khabbi is going to be AWESOME when I am finished.

If the army shows up and takes me prisoner, fails to listen to reason, and steals my claim and perms, then how can I be happy with that RPly or OOCly? I can't. My character will go back to guarding someones front lawn.

Stop here. The warclaim members Uthor, Seventh, and I, have talked it over, and he can do this. You just lose your plot there and get to set it up again somewhere else.

Resolve it in RP, as this Thread is RP. USe OOC for your brackets too

If you reuly have a problem, then you can talk to them in RP. Don't just complain and expect to get what you want.

[Sargeblub 78]

I don't want great RP to be lost, but I also don't want to lose anything OOCly because of RP.

That sentence rustled my jimmies.))

[Mordecai Fury 18]

*Throws up hands in disgust*

((Next time just tell me and I'll give you 200 bucks. That way we can just skip the hours of effort I put into developing the land claim.))

I will welcome you to my home for diplomatic discussion. bring your arms and armor, but do not think to use them. This is a misunderstanding that can be solved with words. If you determine that Khabbi does have traitors, and if we can root them out, then I will kill them myself.

[Jay Lenos 384]

((Next time just tell me and I'll give you 200 bucks.))

Okay you can send it to my PayPal: [email protected]

[Minst 7]

Uh-it may just be me, but the actual post says that Sabbet wont know anything of this until a few hours before battle. So, technically, there can be no negotiations unless A: Oren decides to open wthem with Sabbet or B: Negotiations start just before people get killed. Just saying.

[Phelrin 60]

I might be missing something, but I don't think the RP will lead to having your city destroyed. If you are loyal to your Empire, you would open your gates to your Empire's army. If the army comes in and finds no siege weapons, and no mages, won't they just leave? RP will continue as normal afterwards

[Clockwyrk 8]

[[i am actually tilting my head into my palm in flat out disbelief how utterly confused and backwards both your occ and ic function. Not only has Crestfall (The so called island you plan to use for an early strike) has been trading with us, helped us grow, gained us people and support, but it has helped shaped the economy we now have. And look alot closer at the map. Notice the swamp? The only reason our ship is docked is because it is light enough not to get caught in the muck surrounding the shores. To actually block with navy is downright a waste of time and effort. Add in the fact that the best suitable place to launch your army is the plains north of the fort...which is in the direct open area and ripe for the arrow point..not to mention the countless mobs you will have to wade through. Of course let us not forget the fact that no one has even conceived conversations about siege weapons or whatever else this 'scout' has told you.

Also the rebellion phase came and went weeks ago when Khabbi became a city-state under the Oren empire. You realize the time difference, don't you? It has taken icly months for this scout to report this but is applying ooc time? On the subject of ooc and ic differentials, let us not forget the fact that the land was privatized under Mordecai BEFORE joining Oren anyway. Your war claim is therefore invalid unless you want to use the excuse that it is apart of Oren. Which still goes back to the same problem. This being either you have intel that is inexcusably old and stale, or you are not aware of the privatization of said land even being a city-state which you are aware of.

That said, I applaud how this has snowballed because someone didn't feel like confirming suspicions, which tactically is the first thing to do and not sit there paranoid like a child without his security blanket. Instead of every other rational decision that is seldom made anymore, you gentlemen opt out for the brutal and simplistic view of kill or be killed. Where is the righteousness and faith I have heard Oren possessing? Clearly not with you, or this situation would actually be handled by men of understanding.

I can understand that icly you guys are freaking out, I really do, but to be honest its a wonder how the orcs have not buried your kin yet. Think about it. This irrational thinking brings about the same disorder and chaos that ultimately brings down empires to begin with. Sure, take the land, go on and take whatever you want. In the long run, we can just bide our time elsewhere until the empire crumbles, and we'll be there with empty treat bags, and licking your bittersweet tears as we take the spoils. I would not be surprised if anyone were to take advantage of this anyway, which is probably the case.

Go right ahead if you think your ships can somehow make it within blocking distance of the docks, given the heavy weights of armors, weapons, bodies, food, etc. Go ahead and paddle through the thick patches of mobs for us, or even better attract the ghasts that repeatedly haunt our shores. Or the enderman that have claimed many a life in Khabbi. Rest assured we will be right there when you arrive, just be ready to fight for your lives against nature, nevermind our own retaliations. Good luck in that bulking armor when you come too, I hear its great against the mobs..for a few minutes until you are swarmed. Either way, count on heavy to fatal losses.

Until the battlefield, chaps.

Cheers.